Ep 20: Our Tips For Applying, Removing & Sleeping In Fake Tan

We're back for another episode of Beauty IQ Uncensored, brought to you by Adore Beauty. 

What’s on this episode? We’re glad you asked...

Hair Loss

Trichologist Kay Fitzgerald, from Sinclair Dermatology, joins us to break down hair loss myths and reassure us that there's lots of options for both women and men experiencing different forms of hair loss.

Kay recommends the below products:

Kérastase Densifique Femme Cures

Nioxin

JS Health Hair + Energy

Fake Tanning:

Hannah's speciality! Jo and Hannah discuss their favourite tanning products, techniques, removal, and how they sleep in fake tan to stain/not stain their sheets.

The products we mentioned are:

Coco & Eve Sunny Honey Bronzing Foam (coming VERY soon to Adore Beauty)

Ella Baché Great Tan Mousse - Medium

Loving Tan 2HR Express - Dark 200ml

Tan-Luxe The Face

Tan-Luxe Super Glow

Vita Liberata Fabulous Self Tanning Tinted Lotion

Tanbae Bed Protector

Antheia Express Fake Tan Remover

Products we didn't know we needed:

Jo: Clinique iD Moisturizing BB-Gel

Hannah: Make Up For Ever Blurring Skin Tint

Credits: 

Hosts: Joanna Fleming & Hannah Furst 

Guest: Kay Fitzgerald

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Hair Loss Myths with Trichologist, Kay Fitzgerald plus Jo and Hannah Share Their Fake Tan Tips

Beauty IQ Uncensored Episode 20 Transcript - 'Our Tips For Applying, Removing & Sleeping In Fake Tan'

 

Hannah Furst:
Welcome everybody to Beauty IQ, the podcast.

Joanna Fleming:
I'm your host, Joanna Fleming.

Hannah Furst:
And I am your co-host, Hannah Furst. So, I thought we'd kick this episode off with a little update on my no makeup challenge.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes. So excited for this.

Hannah Furst:
You're actually going to love this story because it's not what you're going to expect. I think you're going to be like, "She did it" and, "It was amazing", that's not what happened. The challenge was that I had to go on a first date with no makeup. So, the other night I was going on a fifth date which doesn't really count.

Joanna Fleming:
Also, fifth date is very close to boyfriend.

Hannah Furst:
No, it's not. I call it the Netflix and chill date.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, I see.

Hannah Furst:
No, we actually watched Netflix.

Joanna Fleming:
And chilled?

Hannah Furst:
A bit of everything.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay.

Hannah Furst:
There was some cooking of dinner involved.

Joanna Fleming:
Good response. Okay.

Hannah Furst:
So basically I was like, well, it's fifth date. It doesn't really count for this challenge. So, I was actually leaving the office on a Friday to go to his house and [Micah 00:01:01] [Inaudible 00:01:01] who's come up a lot on this podcast and he's very honest. I was like, "Micah, I'm about to do this no makeup thing as the first thing and then I'll go on a first date with no makeup," and she looked at me and she was like, "You can't." She's like, "Do you like this guy?"

Joanna Fleming:
You got to love [inaudible 00:01:14].

Hannah Furst:
She didn't say that but she was like, I was really tired and so, I looked pretty dead. So, she actually recommended the product I didn't know I needed, which I'm going to talk about this way today, so you have to wait till the end of the episode to find out what I used to make myself look alive. I had then booked in a first date for Saturday to go on a walk around the [tent 00:01:40]-

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, yes. You did tell me that.

Hannah Furst:
With no makeup. So, I had my fifth date on the Friday and then I was going to wake up on Saturday and just for content purposes, I was going to do this no makeup challenge. He canceled.

Joanna Fleming:
It's like he knew. He knew he was an experiment and he was like (beep)

Hannah Furst:
I was ready, I was like totally 100%. I had brought home all of the Crema Nera range from Giorgio Armani. Crema Nera is $500 for moisturizer, it's really like... Makes you glow in a glory. You're paying for it, so-

Joanna Fleming:
I think that's still a little bit shading.

Hannah Furst:
No.

Joanna Fleming:
If you know it makes you [crosstalk 00:02:18].

Hannah Furst:
Skincare. There's no pigment whatsoever.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay. All right. Okay.

Hannah Furst:
No pigment whatsoever.

Joanna Fleming:
Fine. I'll let you get away with it.

Hannah Furst:
Thank you. He literally goes, "Can we do Sunday?" And I said, I was so annoyed that I wrote back and I said, "Possibly, speak to you Sunday."

Joanna Fleming:
And then you never did.

Hannah Furst:
No, we didn't end up seeing each other.

Joanna Fleming:
Wow. Okay. So she still hasn't done the challenge, everybody.

Hannah Furst:
I still have to do this challenge.

Joanna Fleming:
And you kind of single for the podcast, so what are we going to do if you get a boyfriend?

Hannah Furst:
Well, I don't plan to. At 31 is... I've decided it's not the year to get a boyfriend.

Joanna Fleming:
Well, do we tell the guy that you're going on a sixth date with that?

Hannah Furst:
Can I be honest? He doesn't... He's never listened to the podcast.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay.

Hannah Furst:
So I can talk about (beep) whatever I want.

Joanna Fleming:
He can start with this episode [inaudible 00:03:03].

Hannah Furst:
I can talk about whatever I want. Anyway, that's my story.

Joanna Fleming:
Great. Okay, well you need to do the challenge at some point, so-

Hannah Furst:
Working on it, guys. I'm working on it.

Joanna Fleming:
So, what is on today's episode?

Hannah Furst:
On today's episode, we are talking to you... Correct me if I say this wrong, a trichologist?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Great. About hair loss, then we are talking about my favorite beauty topic, fake tanning.

Joanna Fleming:
Your specialty.

Hannah Furst:
My specialty and then the products we didn't know we needed. And you'll have to hang around until the end of the episode to hear about what I wore on my fifth date.

Joanna Fleming:
All right. So, our guest for this episode is Kay Fitzgerald. She is a trichologist?

Kay Fitzgerald:
Correct.

Joanna Fleming:
So you specialize in hair loss.

Kay Fitzgerald:
Hair loss and any scalp concerns that people have. Yeah.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay. So, this is a very common thing that our customer service team specifically get asked, is about hair loss and a lot around postpartum hair loss and how to grow your hair back after you've had a baby. A lot of people experience hair loss around that time, which I'm sure you see in your [clinic 00:04:06]. So, can you talk us through why that happens and what's the difference between that kind of hair loss in women and hair loss in men?

Kay Fitzgerald:
Okay. Well, that's completely different to male and female pattern hair loss that we commonly see these days. So, postpartum is more because when you fall pregnant, your estrogen levels will rise. And so, when you're pregnant, your hair's at its best, it's nice and thin because you're not going through that normal shedding phase. About three months, generally three months after you have the baby, three to four months, the estrogen levels are dropping back down to normal.

Kay Fitzgerald:
Okay. So, they're not dropping any lower than what they should be. They're just dropping back to normal and that's when shedding will occur because you haven't had nine months of shedding.

Joanna Fleming:
Yep.

Kay Fitzgerald:
It's only about 40% of women that do notice the postpartum hair loss.

Joanna Fleming:
Is that because they're losing more hair in those cases? Because some women come to us and say like, oh, it's real. Like I've got bald patches and things like that, where it's really fallen out around their hairline and things like that. Is that quite common?

Kay Fitzgerald:
Yeah, it'll depend on the density they had to start with, it'll depend on the color of their hair too because they'll notice that more if they've got darker hair, if they've got longer hair but generally it's around the temporal bitemporal areas, their hairline.

Joanna Fleming:
So, how quickly can you expect to be back to your normal hair growth if you've got... If you're experiencing that thinning around the hairline after you've had your baby, when should you expect it to return to normal?

Kay Fitzgerald:
So, generally by 12 months. So, normally by your baby's first birthday?

Joanna Fleming:
Yep.

Kay Fitzgerald:
It should be all back to normal.

Joanna Fleming:
Anecdotally, I have heard of men or their fathers been bald, I don't even know if it's genetic but they've started to notice in their maybe 30s, that they're getting hair and a receding hairline and then they've started on a medication and it's actually stopped. And it's the conduct, is that like just an... Is that what happens?

Kay Fitzgerald:
Yeah. So generally, if they go to see a dermatologist or even sometimes the GPs will put them on, it's called Finasteride. That's a DHT inhibitor, so that will slow down the hair follicles getting attacked quite significantly.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. Okay.

Kay Fitzgerald:
And then they'll generally put you on Minoxidil as well, which will stimulate hair growth.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay. Does that have any side effects?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. Side effects.

Kay Fitzgerald:
Side effects.

Joanna Fleming:
I've heard of a decrease in libido.

Hannah Furst:
Ah, is that true?

Kay Fitzgerald:
And erectile dysfunction.

Joanna Fleming:
This is totally in line with this podcast, so please do tell all.

Kay Fitzgerald:
So, it can but it's like 1% of men.

Joanna Fleming:
What would you rather?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. What would you rather?

Kay Fitzgerald:
Well, for some women it's probably not a bad thing [crosstalk 00:06:47] like that. But I think it's around about 1% of men.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay. Experience.

Kay Fitzgerald:
Experience those sort of side effects. So, within our clinic we've actually got thousands of men on this medication and there would be no more than 2%.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay. That's actually good to know because I think it's kind of Chinese whispers. Someone... One guy tells another guy, Oh, my libido is stopped, so I stopped medication. Then that guy's like, oh, I don't really want to lose my libido, I'm a 30 year old man. And so, then the Chinese whispers starts but that's a really good statistic to know that, if you try it and you experienced the side effects well, then it might not be for you.

Hannah Furst:
And do you find that women in their menopausal years experience more hair loss? Because of the changing hormones.

Kay Fitzgerald:
Yeah. They do. But we also see... We have a lot of young women, I mean, we have girls as young as 15, 16-

Hannah Furst:
Wow. Really?

Kay Fitzgerald:
Already experiencing female pattern hair loss, yeah. So, it's that young.

Joanna Fleming:
Correct me if I'm wrong, is this an old wives tale? That boldness comes from the mother's side?

Hannah Furst:
I feel it is.

Joanna Fleming:
Is that a wive's tale?

Hannah Furst:
I heard the same thing.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
I've heard the same thing.

Joanna Fleming:
Or can it just be anyone?

Kay Fitzgerald:
It can come from either. It can come from both.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay. Oh, wow.

Hannah Furst:
And you could miss it.

Joanna Fleming:
No one's safe.

Kay Fitzgerald:
You could miss it, you could have a family of five siblings.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Kay Fitzgerald:
It's like a deck of cards for [inaudible 00:08:08].

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Kay Fitzgerald:
It might skip you all and get your children.

Joanna Fleming:
Yep.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Fleming:
And what about gray hair? Because some people go gray really early, like a girl in our team is 26-

Hannah Furst:
26.

Joanna Fleming:
And she's already going gray.

Hannah Furst:
Really gray.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. How do we know when we're going to go gray? Is there any way to determine why people go gray younger? Why some people... My dad's in his 60s, he still got black.

Hannah Furst:
My grandma was 16 when she went fully gray.

Joanna Fleming:
Really? Is there a reason for that?

Kay Fitzgerald:
Genetics play the biggest role in that.

Hannah Furst:
Oh, it skipped me.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
31, and I haven't got one gray... Only eyebrow gray hairs. No actual gray hairs on my head.

Kay Fitzgerald:
Yeah. No, that's good. And I said, genetics play the major role in it and then of course it can be environmental. Maybe we can add some more antioxidants with a... Which is like a bit of a youth serum. There's so much happening in hair loss, there's just so many great things and we've got a whole floor that's just purely clinical trials, that's what we do. So, we've got more than 20 people working, so dermatologist, doctors and professors up there working in clinical trials.

Joanna Fleming:
It's good news for anyone out there who's balding at the moment.

Hannah Furst:
Seriously.

Kay Fitzgerald:
You know what... Because we get people that just don't go out anymore.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, wow.

Kay Fitzgerald:
Because they're scared, they start to become anti. I remember when I first started at the clinic, I remember just getting in my car and just bursting to tears. I did because it was so sad, we had women come in and they weren't going out. This one lady had got a [busing 00:09:41] and it was the first time she'd gone out in months and she came to see me there and it was like, I got in my car and I'd go, look really?

Joanna Fleming:
Did she end up growing her hair back?

Kay Fitzgerald:
Yeah, we get some hair back for her.

Joanna Fleming:
[inaudible 00:09:53]. Awesome.

Kay Fitzgerald:
But once hair... Well, that day I actually did some camouflage on her and when she walked out because she was crying. Yeah, I don't want to cry because she's crying and so, but I got in my car and I cried. But, I'm just like... So, that was my first experience with doing the camouflage and making that instant difference and now she can go out again.

Hannah Furst:
For a woman, there's probably this... Definitely, a societal expectation that you have luscious Victoria Secret hair, that's what we're sold through marketing or whatever. And then, if you experience the opposite, it would be quite a shock.

Kay Fitzgerald:
But most of those girls anyway have hair pieces in.

Hannah Furst:
Exactly. Yeah.

Kay Fitzgerald:
They've got extensions or toppers or something. I mean, it's not all that [lux 00:10:36].

Joanna Fleming:
Totally.

Kay Fitzgerald:
But most people don't know that and they go, "She's got such beautiful hair." I mean, it's not all hers but that's okay. It's not wrong.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
No one has that natural hair, do they?

Joanna Fleming:
I don't think so.

Kay Fitzgerald:
No. Not me.

Hannah Furst:
Because my hair is really thick and unmanageable, so with the thickness comes like total unmanageability. I don't wake up with like Victoria Secret hair.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
I mean, they do all wear extensions.

Joanna Fleming:
And you have dead, fine hair.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. Dead straight. Fine hair.

Hannah Furst:
Dead straight. Not dead, it's alive. I mean, it's actually is dead, isn't it?

Kay Fitzgerald:
Yeah. That's right.

Hannah Furst:
Your hair is dead as long as it grows out of your scalp, is that right?

Kay Fitzgerald:
That's right. It's only alive once it's in the scalp.

Joanna Fleming:
Do you ever think to yourself like God is weird? Because I thought that the other day, when I was thinking about it. I was like, isn't it weird that we grow hair?

Hannah Furst:
No. There's a good Jerry Seinfeld thing that he does and he... In [Sein 00:00:11:22], you don't watch Sein. So, that you're laughing, so you watch it. So, he says the weirdest thing about hair is that when it's on your head, you're like, you hug someone and you smell it and it's really sexy as soon as it's off the head, ugh, yuck.

Hannah Furst:
So, you're like, ugh, there's a hair. Oh my God, whose hair is that? So, it's-

Joanna Fleming:
So true. Hair is such a big thing and it's dead. It's like grown out of our scalp, why do we do this?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. Why do we do this?

Joanna Fleming:
Now, I'm just going off on a tangent getting [inaudible 00:11:51] now.

Kay Fitzgerald:
But in saying that, when at the hair salons now, there's something called Sustainable Salons.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes.

Hannah Furst:
We've been getting right into this.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Kay Fitzgerald:
Okay. So what I love about... I love a lot of things about them, we haven't turned our salon into that yet but the plan is to do that in the future. But what I love is about, when they've had the big oil spills and they feel they're like a stocking up with all that-

Hannah Furst:
With hair.

Kay Fitzgerald:
Excess hair that's been donated through our rubbish bins, recycled and that soaks up the oils better than anything for those major oil spills.

Hannah Furst:
We were... We just learned about Sustainable Salons recently and we were like, wow, this is really cool.

Joanna Fleming:
We just learned the other day. That's... It's an amazing.

Kay Fitzgerald:
And they feed the people and they give people [crosstalk 00:12:37], that sometimes find it difficult.

Joanna Fleming:
It's really good initiative.

Kay Fitzgerald:
So I think it's, yeah. It's great.

Joanna Fleming:
Are there any... I don't know if this is the question lies, but any brands in particular that you think or particularly products that you recommend if you're not going down the route of medication or supplements?

Kay Fitzgerald:
Yeah. So, if you weren't... Well, Nioxin have... And we don't have Nioxin at our clinic but what I like about them, they're two programs. So, they've got different programs, so there... Number two program has a DHT inhibitor in the serum and so with that one, if you use the serum, what it will do will slow down the hair follicles attacks which is good. So, if you use that in combination with, for example, Kérastase have Densifique and Densifique works on stem cell rejuvenation and if you use that on your scalp, what that will do is rejuvenate, awaken some of those hairs.

Kay Fitzgerald:
So, they say it will grow up to 1700 new hairs within three months. We actually put our patients on it for four months and the reason we do that, Professor Sinclair spoke to Bruno Bernard, he was the creator and then they both agreed that four months would be more beneficial. And what I like about that is people with glaucoma have some eye drops, the prostate gland and that's in those eyedrops is actually put into these vials and a side effect of their eyedrops was that all lashes grew really thick and long.

Kay Fitzgerald:
So, Bruno patented it over in Paris-

Hannah Furst:
So, funny.

Kay Fitzgerald:
So, we know that, that works. [crosstalk 00:14:14] does work. We've also got Aminexil I really like as well because what that does, that will help reduce shedding so will Densifique but that will... Aminexil will help reduce shedding.

Joanna Fleming:
Right.

Kay Fitzgerald:
So, you could even use those whole three things together even though you got Nioxin here, you've got Kérastase there and [Amine 00:14:33]...

Hannah Furst:
Nioxin and Kérastase.

Kay Fitzgerald:
It's okay. You can use them all together but you would say, if I was say, going to use which one? I would go Aminexil first because that's going to reduce shedding and that's going to reduce stress. Then we can put them on Nioxin, program two and program two, four and six have SPF in it. When you get thinning hair, often these people will end up with some burnt scalps. Yeah. So, if they use-

Hannah Furst:
You've thought of everything.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Kay Fitzgerald:
I do. I'm always researching products, this is my passion as well.

Hannah Furst:
It's so good to hear someone when they're so passionate about something.

Kay Fitzgerald:
I love this.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. How did you get into it? What made you decide to get into it?

Kay Fitzgerald:
Do you know what happened... It was 10 years ago, yesterday actually.

Joanna Fleming:
Wow.

Kay Fitzgerald:
Was not a good thing. My husband died, in an accident.

Joanna Fleming:
I'm so sorry.

Kay Fitzgerald:
Yeah. And this is what led me down this path because within that 12 months I started to experience some hair shedding myself and I went to the specialist, there wasn't like nothing there. There was nothing instant and I thought people need something instant.

Kay Fitzgerald:
So, that's what sort of led me down this path to help people. But genuinely help people it's not about the money, it can't ever be about the money and I don't care who's got it. If it works, I'm going to say that's what you need.

Joanna Fleming:
We're the same brand, agnostic approach. You can't get everything in one place.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Kay Fitzgerald:
No. And there's a place-

Joanna Fleming:
It's okay to get things in different places.

Kay Fitzgerald:
Absolutely. And there's a place for everything and if I just make it, if people just make it about their products, is that what that person needs though? And then you're going to give it to them and they're not going to get the results and in the meantime, hair follicles may die off. So, for me it's really important to just give them what they need, if that means I have to refer them to a dermatologist because they need medical intervention.

Kay Fitzgerald:
Because some types of hair loss, you do need medical intervention. If you have a scarring alopecia look, frontal fibrosing, trichologist don't treat that, they shouldn't try and treat that either.

Joanna Fleming:
So, that's why you work really closely with dermatologists on scalp conditions, I guess?

Kay Fitzgerald:
Yeah, that's right. So, I'll often refer. So, if I get a client in, for example, they've got female pattern hair loss and then I look at them, they're stage three. So, there's different stages of hair loss. Can I treat it? Yeah, I can but I want to hit them a bit harder and if they're okay with taking medication, then their best results will come from that, in conjunction with vitamins. But normally trichologists as a rule will want to give you natural herbal but for me, you need results, so it's what's going to work.

Kay Fitzgerald:
If you don't want to do medical intervention, then you should do what I'm recommending because it's better than not doing anything and it will slow down the hair loss. If you stop it after one month and go, well, that didn't work? Well, no it didn't because it's got to happen beneath the scalp first. So, we say six months really, before you start... Four months, you'll start noticing but let's say six.

Joanna Fleming:
Stick at it, it's the same with skin care.

Hannah Furst:
It's the same with skin care. Yeah, [inaudible 00:17:46].

Joanna Fleming:
Stick at it. So, at trichologists Australia, why is it quite hard to find a trichologist? If people are listening to this and wanting to see someone and they aren't in Melbourne and can't come and see you? Are they easy to find?

Kay Fitzgerald:
Yeah, that would be in every state. So, you can get the IAT, who is where we all do our training through. They have a listing of trichologist in every state. So, if you can't get them up on your Google, then you're going to get the IAT app, David Salinger runs that and he'll have a listing for you.

Joanna Fleming:
Sure. And if anyone's listening and they want to come and see you, where can they see you?

Kay Fitzgerald:
So they can see me at Sinclair Dermatology.

Joanna Fleming:
Great.

Kay Fitzgerald:
In East Melbourne. And on a Saturday and evenings. Melbourne trichology will be up and running soon.

Joanna Fleming:
Great. Thanks for coming in, okay?

Hannah Furst:
Thanks so much. Learnt a lot in that one.

Kay Fitzgerald:
Yeah. Okay, good. I've got more but that's enough for now.

Joanna Fleming:
We'll bring me back.

Hannah Furst:
Thanks.

Kay Fitzgerald:
Okay. Thank you.

Joanna Fleming:
So Hannah, this is your specialty?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, it is.

Joanna Fleming:
It's the first thing I got you to write about on beauty IQ.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Fleming:
So, that's really all she knows.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. That's totally right.

Joanna Fleming:
But I also love fake tan because I don't tan outside anymore.

Hannah Furst:
Same.

Joanna Fleming:
So, I probably do a fake tan every week in summer. Do you do yours every week?

Hannah Furst:
So, I mean, this weird phase of my life where I can't... I'm like, being tanned all the time, it's such an effort.

Joanna Fleming:
It is a real effort.

Hannah Furst:
And because I'm going more low key, I've been doing a bit less but I still... If I have an event on whatever, I actually know because I've got access to so many good fake tans, I've been doing it at home.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, I'd always do mine at home.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Fleming:
I just feel a lot better about myself when I have a fake tan on, which is very shallow but that's just how I feel.

Hannah Furst:
No, I'm the same.

Joanna Fleming:
That's my honest truth.

Hannah Furst:
I feel less dead. I feel more alive and yeah, you can look, I mean, we've spoken about this. You have vampire skin, which is so great and wish I had it.

Joanna Fleming:
She says it as a compliment but-

Hannah Furst:
I do, I totally do.

Joanna Fleming:
I'm not sure it is but-

Hannah Furst:
It totally is but I understand if you've got a special event on just putting a full face of makeup on, it's nice to do something a bit different.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes. Yeah, it is. So tell me, what are your hacks, if people suck at doing their own fake tan, what do they need to know?

Hannah Furst:
To be honest, there's a few things. If you suck at doing fake tan, I would 100% be using a tan with a color guide.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. For sure.

Hannah Furst:
Don't go in... Oh my God, that is like... That's probably my number one tip. In terms of... Definitely, I think always use a Mitt and then if you're really bad at it like go for gradual. Definitely don't go straight.

Joanna Fleming:
Which gradual do you like? TAN-LUXE?

Hannah Furst:
I've been using TAN-LUXE The BUTTER, all I'll say it's got a shimmer in it but I've also been using the... I mean, you know I love Vita Liberata, I just love all their products.

Joanna Fleming:
Have they got a gradual?

Hannah Furst:
They've got it of my favorite tan in a gradual.

Joanna Fleming:
Ah, okay.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. Which we can talk about later.

Joanna Fleming:
I've got the Eco Tan Winter Skin, that's pretty good as well.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. I think, Vita Liberata is probably my favorite tanning brand. It is... It's expensive, so let's just get that out of the way. The other hacks that I have... So, in terms of elbows, how we usually put some Liquid Gold, a little swab of Liquid Gold on my elbow.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, a little tip. Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
I just think hands and feet are hard.

Joanna Fleming:
They are.

Hannah Furst:
Let's not let-

Joanna Fleming:
People ask me that all the time.

Hannah Furst:
Can I be honest with you? I still (beep) get up all the time.

Joanna Fleming:
Same. All the time.

Hannah Furst:
So, I actually... And I don't know where the bringing the... Look, I got a sample the other day, so I'm going to follow up on the progress of it. So, the tanning range came with your usual mousse, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but there was also this little spray bottle that you could use on your hands and your feet, which I still don't think is foolproof.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
My biggest tip for hands and feet is to just get the excess from your mousse, do your hands like a claw. Just like if you go to the spray tan place and then you literally rub the excess on as a cloth, that's what I do.

Joanna Fleming:
But also you can use a makeup brush.

Hannah Furst:
Oh, yeah.

Joanna Fleming:
You can use a kabuki brush.

Hannah Furst:
You can use a kabuki brush.

Joanna Fleming:
Put a tiny bit of tan on it.

Hannah Furst:
That's another good one.

Joanna Fleming:
And then run that through the middle bits of your fingers and all of that.

Hannah Furst:
Look, if you haven't fully got your set of fake tan equipment ready to go, you may not have a kabuki brush just for your fake tan.

Joanna Fleming:
I've got a thousand, I can send you one.

Hannah Furst:
Yes. Sorry, that's actually a really good one, I do that one too.

Joanna Fleming:
But you haven't mentioned moisturizing. Do you moisturize your elbows and knees and stuff before you do it?

Hannah Furst:
Look, to be honest, you should. I don't always. Sometimes I like them [sun 00:22:28] rushed and so, I actually put it all on and the elbows always look a bit shit after. So then I end up using a bit of Liquid Gold on the elbows.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay. To remove the-

Hannah Furst:
To remove any excess.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. Okay, that's why you use it. Right. But you mainly used it beforehand so that it was smooth.

Hannah Furst:
No, I use like... Yeah. No, I'm not like perfect like that.

Joanna Fleming:
So, I use my [cream dicor 00:22:41] on my elbows, my knees, my feet and my hands but my little trick, you know how you get that orange part around your underarm?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Fleming:
Just here where I'm pointing?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Fleming:
It goes orange there, so I put moisturizer between my hands and I wipe my palm under my underarm and then I put my tan over it as I normally would and it just doesn't develop as much but you don't get a white patch and you don't get the tan all gathering around that like... Where your underarm is.

Hannah Furst:
That's a good [inaudible 00:23:15].

Joanna Fleming:
Okay. That's the best fake tan tip I've got.

Hannah Furst:
I think the worst thing with fake tanning for me is, the back situation. I literally can't fake tan my back. I find it so difficult and I usually have white spots on my back [crosstalk 00:23:29].

Joanna Fleming:
Yes. We may notice that.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, thanks. So, if you have someone to fake tan your back, usually I'll get my sister to come and do it.

Joanna Fleming:
I do mine myself.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. I don't know how you did it but there is a-

Joanna Fleming:
Loving Tan.

Hannah Furst:
Loving Tan have a back-

Joanna Fleming:
A back applicator.

Hannah Furst:
A back applicator, so-

Joanna Fleming:
Looking out for all you single girls.

Hannah Furst:
Exactly. I think that's a good little tip.

Joanna Fleming:
The other thing I hate about tanning is having to sleep in it, so normally I go for express tans. Love the Loving Tan one.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. You do. You're like a two hour? And, but...

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. So, I really like express ones but I've got to try fake tans all the time for work and so I did use a new one the other day, it was the Ella Baché mousse, which was really good by the way but I had to sleep in it. And so, I was like, oh, how am I going to do this? I've got fresh sheets, I really don't want to sleep in it.

Joanna Fleming:
Can I wash it off or is it going to be too a lot? And it was already a medium tan I was like, this isn't going to be dark enough for my preferences. And so, I had these tanning sheet called Tan Bay and I opened it up and I laid it down on my bed and it's like a [bambooy 00:24:31] kind of thing and I just slept in that and it didn't stain my sheets, it's black. It laid on top of my bed and it's hot at the moment and so, I just slept on that.

Joanna Fleming:
I've had another tanning sheet before, which was like silky and I got really hot and sticky inside it but I didn't get hot or sticky and no stain shapes. So, you can get a tanning sheet if you want.

Hannah Furst:
I just have orange sheets.

Joanna Fleming:
Yep. Cool.

Hannah Furst:
Ruby-

Joanna Fleming:
Doesn't surprise me.

Hannah Furst:
Ruby, my sister came in the other day and she was helping me clean up my apartment. Long story and-

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. From what?

Hannah Furst:
No, I was having someone over for dinner.

Joanna Fleming:
Yep. Okay.

Hannah Furst:
And she had a look, she was making my bed. She's like, Hannah, you cannot have someone come over with your... These orange sheets.

Joanna Fleming:
Hannah, you need to use a tanning sheet. Come on, because you don't use express.

Hannah Furst:
She said, "It looks like you shit the bed."

Joanna Fleming:
You don't use express ones, you always use eight hours.

Hannah Furst:
She literally was like, "You look like you've shit the bed." Like you actually have [inaudible 00:25:25]. And so, she was like, would you while you're out on your date?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Sorry. I've got this story wrong. We were going out on a date and then there was a possibility to come back to my house after.

Joanna Fleming:
Sure.

Hannah Furst:
Not a first date.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
I'm not that kind of girl but anyway, so she was like, "Do you want me to bleach your bottom sheet for you while you're out on your day and make your bed?"

Joanna Fleming:
That's really nice of her.

Hannah Furst:
I was like, "No. Don't worry, I don't like him that much." That was a joke.

Joanna Fleming:
No. In case he's listening.

Hannah Furst:
Just in case he's listening.

Joanna Fleming:
What about fake tan smell?

Hannah Furst:
I don't mind the fake tan smell. Actually Coco & Eve, I don't know if it's out yet.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh my God, it's coming out. It's coming out in Feb.

Hannah Furst:
Can I be honest? That's a dark tan? That's for someone with my skin tone.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, I use the dark shade.

Hannah Furst:
Of Coco & Eve?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Oh, did you like it?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Oh, you [inaudible 00:26:18]-

Joanna Fleming:
I loved it.

Hannah Furst:
Because everyone comments when I wear that tan.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes.

Hannah Furst:
The only thing I'll say it's not... You've got to be a pretty good fake tanner to use it.

Joanna Fleming:
Am I a good fake tanner?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. If your-

Joanna Fleming:
Because I'm wearing it from a few days ago.

Hannah Furst:
If your experience, for me, because it was so dark and such-

Joanna Fleming:
You must've had the ultra dark.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. With the difference in the color-

Joanna Fleming:
There's a medium, a dark and ultra dark.

Hannah Furst:
You really need to put some effort into it.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay. Right. So, I won't get the ultra dark then.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Fleming:
That would be [inaudible 00:26:43].

Hannah Furst:
But everyone. To be honest, everyone commented.

Joanna Fleming:
That tan smells effing amazing.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. It's like a coconut holiday.

Joanna Fleming:
Legit. The best fake tan I've ever smelt.

Hannah Furst:
Like piña coladas.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. Really nice.

Joanna Fleming:
Also the Ella Baché one that I mentioned also smells really nice. So, I tried these two fake tans in a week and I'm like, whoa.

Hannah Furst:
But I... Vita Liberata has no smell. So, I really liked that too. And actually-

Joanna Fleming:
Do you find you have that... You know when you smell your skin.

Hannah Furst:
So, no. Because I actually have married friends that are like, oh, what do I do? Like I hate, my husband hates the smell of my fake tan.

Joanna Fleming:
Divorce him.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. Well, I've suggested Vita Liberata and so they actually quite, so... I actually... My favorite fake tan is the Vita Liberata Fabulous Self Tanning Tinted Lotion. Hands down the best hand I've ever used.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. You've worn up for a long time. And you do write about that.

Hannah Furst:
To be honest, I get so many different fake tans and that I'm always trying new ones but I always go back in my head and compare it to that cause I just love that tan. It's got no sand, it's streak free, it fades evenly. It's just the-

Joanna Fleming:
I love a tan that fades evenly. You don't have to worry about scrubbing it off.

Hannah Furst:
All in all, it's a really good one.

Joanna Fleming:
How do you remove tan if you have to? Do you remove it?

Hannah Furst:
Sorry. To be honest, I think using that trick that I used for my back knee, which is like, I just use the spray.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. All over your body?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. All of my body, if I need to get it off quickly but that's the same if I'm going to get laser hair removal. I'll spray my legs if I've got fake tan with that.

Joanna Fleming:
That's a good tip.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Fleming:
I've got this stuff. I can't remember, I think it's called Anthea or something. We don't stock it but it's like a spray that you put on and similar, I think it's like a chemical exfoliant and I put that on for 15 minutes and then I get in the shower and then I scrub it off and it comes off so easily.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. Definitely a chemical exfoliant. Sorry. I think traditional fake tan removers have gotten-

Joanna Fleming:
Some kind of.

Hannah Furst:
Some kind of glycolic acid to gently exfoliate the skin. But, a bit of a hack, is that the ordinary have a glycolic-

Joanna Fleming:
The toning solution.

Hannah Furst:
Toning solution. So, you just remove the top and put on a spray bottle instead.

Joanna Fleming:
Hannah is really proud of this intervention.

Hannah Furst:
I know. I've spoken about it before [crosstalk 00:28:46]. I'm going to talk about it again and it's like $14.50 or something ridiculous. So, I wouldn't... You don't even need to invest.

Joanna Fleming:
That's a tan removal hack.

Hannah Furst:
The other thing with fake tan, I would like to talk about is face tanning.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, yes.

Hannah Furst:
Face tanning is like the bane of my existence. I feel like managing my face tan is just become a full time job.

Joanna Fleming:
Really?

Hannah Furst:
Ugh. Last night I was like, Oh my God, I have an event on tomorrow night. What the hell am I going to do? Ugh. So, it's like always this home managing process. So, what I do, I'm actually, I'm going to re-purchase because I got the first one for free and I'm like, oh, I don't want to have to repurchase but I'm going to have to because I've not found any thing better. So, if you like a really dark face, TAN-LUXE, The Face, that is the best mixed in with your serum. It doesn't matter what serum you're using, even if it's like exfoliating, whatever just mix in with the serum you'll wake up with a glow.

Joanna Fleming:
So, I also use the TAN-LUXE but I don't use The Face because too dark for me.

Hannah Furst:
Too dark for you.

Joanna Fleming:
So, I have the Super Glow, which is like a gradual but it's also a hydrating serum.

Hannah Furst:
I'd have to put so much of that on.

Joanna Fleming:
So, I just use that and then it goes dark enough for me to just look glowy up when I don't makeup on.

Hannah Furst:
You're looking for glowy, I'm looking for a tan.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. I just feel like if I go darker than that, I feel like I look dirty and I don't want to feel like that.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, I don't mind.

Joanna Fleming:
I think you just look tanned though because you've got a darker skin tone whereas if I do it, I think it gathers in my mustache.

Hannah Furst:
TAN-LUXE, The Face, it has light, medium and dark. And then medium to dark.

Joanna Fleming:
Do they have colors?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Fleming:
I didn't know that.

Hannah Furst:
So, I do medium to dark, I do depending on how dark I want to go and how much fake tan I've got on my body, I'll use between two to maybe like five or six drops in my serum. That's my first step of my skincare routine. I'll probably, just because it's expensive, it's $68 probably on that night will stay clear of acids but just because I want to get the most out of the products.

Joanna Fleming:
With the Super Glow, you can wear every night.

Hannah Furst:
It's $68 and it lasted me so long. It really lasted. And it was worth it and it's worth not putting your face in the sun ever.

Joanna Fleming:
Absolutely.

Hannah Furst:
$68 for a lifetime of good, glowy skin. I don't know what else to say.

Joanna Fleming:
Tips from Hannah.

Hannah Furst:
Anyway, those are our fake tanning hacks.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. I feel like it would be really good. What... You shouldn't even say what your favorite fake tan is just quickly.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, I'd say it's probably the Loving Tan 2 HR Express.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. I knew it was.

Joanna Fleming:
But I wish they did an ultra dark. They don't do... Everybody always responds to my stories and they're like, they do, do an ultra dark, I'm like, it's not in the express.

Hannah Furst:
Oh, you [inaudible 00:31:22] express.

Joanna Fleming:
I want them to do the express in ultra dark.

Hannah Furst:
And now they have your tanning shades, why don't you just go, who cares?

Joanna Fleming:
I think I might. That's why I'm like loving the Ella Baché one but then the Coco & Eve is an express or overnight. You can do either. So, I left it only for four hours.

Hannah Furst:
Four hours.

Joanna Fleming:
And washed it off but I could have slept in it.

Hannah Furst:
I think the Coco & Eve is slowly becoming one of my faves.

Joanna Fleming:
I actually think it might be one of the best fake tans I've tried.

Hannah Furst:
I think what we should do though, when this episode comes out, both of us do like our little fake tan routine and say-

Joanna Fleming:
I mean, I'm naked when I do mine but it's [inaudible 00:31:55] okay the story is...

Hannah Furst:
That's totally fine. I'll get signed off from that, don't worry. All right. So, products we didn't know we needed.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes.

Hannah Furst:
PWDKWDN.

Joanna Fleming:
We are both doing similar products here, I just realized.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. Interesting because we didn't mean to do this.

Joanna Fleming:
We didn't mean it. No. I was very surprised that I liked this product, very surprised.

Hannah Furst:
I think I know... Yeah. Okay.

Joanna Fleming:
So it's the Clinique ID Dramatically Different Moisturizing BB-Gel. Basically, in short, it's a BB cream, in a gel texture.

Hannah Furst:
Interesting.

Joanna Fleming:
The interesting part about it is that it doesn't come in shades. It has this shade adjusting technology thing that adjusts to your skin tone. So, when you put it on it's like a [purpley 00:32:49] color in your hand.

Hannah Furst:
I have seen it.

Joanna Fleming:
And then you rub it in and it just turns into your skin color, it's so bizarre. I thought it was bullshit when I first put it on my hand, I was like surely not, this is going to be like three shades off but it actually settles in, in 10 minutes and it's no shit your shade.

Hannah Furst:
Amazing.

Joanna Fleming:
So, you have to match it with like a cartridge thing, so you shop it by the cartridge.

Hannah Furst:
I've seen the dramatically different... Yeah.

Joanna Fleming:
So you put the cartridge in the different... Yeah. It's kind of hard to explain.

Hannah Furst:
So, you could put like... So, if your concern is aging or if your [brightness 00:33:23]-

Joanna Fleming:
So, I thought the lines and wrinkles cartridge and then I put that-

Hannah Furst:
Because you've got so many lines and wrinkles?

Joanna Fleming:
I know. I just want for prevention. So, I put that cartridge inside the BB gel and then that mixes together and then you've got like a serumy thing inside your BB cream.

Hannah Furst:
So, you don't have to use anything else or you still were using your skincare?

Joanna Fleming:
I was still using my skincare, I was using it as-

Hannah Furst:
Because you're not much of a morning skin care girl anyway.

Joanna Fleming:
No. I'm like a Vitamin C, eye cream, sunscreen. And then if I have to wear make up I'll wear it but yeah, I did the... I would have loved if this BB gel had an SPF in it. Unfortunately it doesn't. So, you still need to wear your SPF underneath.

Hannah Furst:
Underneath.

Joanna Fleming:
But I was really shook by the fact that it actually matched to my skin and it gives like a really nice natural finish, it's very light coverage, so not for anyone that's expecting like a foundation finish. It's not it cosmetics CC cream, it's very light. But for me, I don't really have many skin concerns, I'm not concerned about covering blemishes or unevenness. So for me it was perfect and everybody commented on my skin when I wore it, so-

Hannah Furst:
Because they never do.

Joanna Fleming:
No, they never do.

Hannah Furst:
Oh, shut up.

Joanna Fleming:
Never happens (beep).

Hannah Furst:
No one ever comments on my skin.

Joanna Fleming:
Well, you said at the start of this podcasts that no one comments on yours and everybody comments on it.

Hannah Furst:
That is so true.

Joanna Fleming:
I don't know if they just feel sorry for you and... I'm kidding.

Hannah Furst:
Genuinely people do comment on my skin [inaudible 00:34:46].

Joanna Fleming:
See.

Hannah Furst:
And actually my family comment on my skin and they have no obligation to comment on my skin.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, they don't. They can be pretty harsh on you at times. So, what's your product you didn't know you need it.

Hannah Furst:
Sorry, back to my little teaser about my makeup free day. Look, this fifth date wasn't really a makeup free date, I was wearing, it's the Make Up For Ever Ultra HD [inaudible 00:35:07].

Joanna Fleming:
She's a fraud.

Hannah Furst:
I'm a total fraud. Make Up For Ever Ultra HD Perfector Blurring Skin Tint, that's a long [inaudible 00:35:14].

Joanna Fleming:
That is long.

Hannah Furst:
So, it is basically just a tint and it blurs, so-

Joanna Fleming:
I think I've used that.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, it is super light.

Joanna Fleming:
I'd say it's similar coverage to the BB gel.

Hannah Furst:
Really?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
I was expecting it to be a little bit higher, more coverage.

Joanna Fleming:
No, not from my memory. It's sort of pretty shit memory.

Hannah Furst:
It's a really lot coverage and tint and so, technically it does have pigment in it, so I don't technically say that's no makeup.

Joanna Fleming:
That's not no makeup.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. Thanks. I know but it wasn't a first date, so I was allowed to do whatever the hell I wanted. [inaudible 00:35:53]. And yeah, I think that if you don't want to wear makeup, if you're like us and you don't like wearing makeup to work but you've got a meeting or if you cure on that fifth date and you want to look like, I'm so natural and like [inaudible 00:36:09].

Joanna Fleming:
This is just me, this is my skin.

Hannah Furst:
This is how I wake up and then you plan on shocking them like on the... five dates later. Yeah. This is exactly what you need. So, it'll show off your skin but it'll blur any imperfections, it gives you a really dewy glowy finish. Although it does say here it's a satiny natural matte finish but yeah I felt it was a bit-

Joanna Fleming:
You are oilier though.

Hannah Furst:
I'm oily, That's true. It was actually recommended, it has an SPF of 25 too.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, does it? I didn't know that.

Hannah Furst:
But remember you need a [teaspoon 00:36:35] so you still need to use SPF. It was actually recommended to me by Micah because she... We were trying to work out what I could wear-

Joanna Fleming:
Micah is getting so many main drops on this.

Hannah Furst:
I know, we should get her... We really... I actually would love...

Joanna Fleming:
She's wild.

Hannah Furst:
She's wild, you'll love her. She's so honest. So literally, if I want-

Joanna Fleming:
She has no filter.

Hannah Furst:
If I want an honest opinion, I like, I put my face in the light, under the fluorescent lights at work and I was like, tell me the truth. And she's like, "Do you want the truth?"

Joanna Fleming:
She wouldn't hold back.

Hannah Furst:
She doesn't care. I love it.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. She really doesn't.

Hannah Furst:
Sorry. We should get her on, actually.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
And she's so knowledgeable about makeup. She literally will know exactly what you need for any given moment of your life. So yeah, that was fine but yeah, I still haven't done the no-makeup thing but it's in progress.

Joanna Fleming:
Bye.

Hannah Furst:
Bye. Thanks everyone for joining us today.

Joanna Fleming:
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