Episode 19: Choosing The Right Foundation For Your Skin Type

We're back for another episode of Beauty IQ Uncensored, brought to you by Adore Beauty. 

What’s on this episode? We’re glad you asked...

UTIs

Hannah tells us a travel story that involves a UTI, a drip and a boat ride - and she tells us all her cure methods. Who else can relate to having a serious UTI on holiday?

Choosing Your Foundation:

Director of Artistry, Ross Andrewartha joins us to basically talk sh*t. We discuss foundation finishes, why Hannah is so shiny at 3pm, and whether or not we'd be ok with our boyfriends wearing makeup.

Some of Ross's fave products:

Giorgio Armani Luminous Silk: https://www.adorebeauty.co.nz/giorgio-armani/giorgio-armani-luminous-silk-foundation.html?utm_source=omny&utm_medium=podcast

Jane Iredale PurePressed Pressed Minerals: https://www.adorebeauty.co.nz/jane-iredale/jane-iredale-purepressed-pressed-minerals-refill.html?utm_source=omny&utm_medium=podcast

Giorgio Armani Crema Nuda: https://www.adorebeauty.co.nz/giorgio-armani/giorgio-armani-crema-nuda-tinted-cream-30ml.html?utm_source=omny&utm_medium=podcast

Giorgio Armani Power Fabric: https://www.adorebeauty.co.nz/giorgio-armani/giorgio-armani-power-fabric-foundation.html?utm_source=omny&utm_medium=podcast

Products we didn't know we needed:

Jo: Silke London Hair Ties https://www.adorebeauty.co.nz/silke-london/silke-hair-ties-coco.html?utm_source=omny&utm_medium=podcast

Hannah: Eye Of Horus Artistry Lip Liner https://www.adorebeauty.co.nz/eye-of-horus/eye-of-horus-artistry-lip-liner.html

Credits: 

Hosts: Joanna Fleming & Hannah Furst 

Guest: Ross Andrewartha

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Ross Andrewartha is Here to Talk About All Things Foundation, Including How to Find Your Right Foundation Colour
Beauty IQ Uncensored Episode 19 Transcript - 'Choosing The Right Foundation For Your Skin Type'

 

Hannah Furst:
Welcome everybody to Beauty IQ, the podcast.

Joanna Fleming:
I'm your host, Joanna Fleming.

Hannah Furst:
And I am your cohost, Hannah Furst.

Joanna Fleming:
So Hannah, I realize we didn't touch base on your travel escapades last episode.

Hannah Furst:
No, we didn't.

Joanna Fleming:
Were there any travel romances?

Hannah Furst:
I don't want to talk about it. There always is, there always is.

Joanna Fleming:
Always for Hannah.

Hannah Furst:
The only romance I ever have is overseas.

Joanna Fleming:
That's sad.

Hannah Furst:
I don't like Aussie guys, you know that.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Really I'm generalizing there, but yeah.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay. But you do have a travel story today to share with us today on our cringy convo.

Hannah Furst:
I do. Romance related.

Joanna Fleming:
What is on today's episode?

Hannah Furst:
So on today's episode we are talking about UTIs.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes. Something you've experience recently.

Hannah Furst:
Yes. And then we have a very special guest for us, Andrew Arthur.

Joanna Fleming:
And our good friend Ross.

Hannah Furst:
And our beauty best friend, we call him. He's hilarious. And the product we didn't know we needed.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay Hannah.

Hannah Furst:
Cringy convo time.

Joanna Fleming:
Hit us with your story. We're talking UTIs and thrush.

Hannah Furst:
So I had never had... Have you had a UTI by the way?

Joanna Fleming:
No.

Hannah Furst:
So I'd never had a UTI before in my like 30 years. And so I was in Cambodia and I was with a girlfriend and I woke up probably like two or three in the morning with this uncontrollable urge to pee, like painfully painful need to pee. And I think I got up like every 10 minutes to go pee, but no pee was coming out. And so I woke up in the morning and I was like, "I'm dying." I literally was like-

Joanna Fleming:
Did you think you had an STD, or did you know it was UTI?

Hannah Furst:
No. I didn't think I had an STD. I practice safe sex.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay, cool.

Hannah Furst:
Please, if you're listening-

Joanna Fleming:
Please date me.

Hannah Furst:
... I'm very safe. So basically I woke up in the morning and I was like, "What the hell is going on?" I honestly didn't want to be in my body anymore.

Joanna Fleming:
So were you hot or-

Hannah Furst:
No, just really needed to pee all the time.

Joanna Fleming:
Was it painful?

Hannah Furst:
It's not so much that it's seriously painful. It's like urgency, this feeling of urgency and intense discomfort. And so my friend, thank God, was like, "It's a UTI." And I was like, "What? Are you sure?" She was like, "It's 100% a UTI." So I was in this really small town in Cambodia, I looked like absolute shit by the way. I'd been up all night sitting on the toilet. I'd actually given up by the end and was just sitting on the toilet. So I walked to this... I found this little clinic, a medical clinic.

Joanna Fleming:
These stories never end well.

Hannah Furst:
And I went in and I was like, "Can you help me?" And I was literally crying, sweating, I was an absolute mess. And the guy didn't speak English, he actually spoke Chinese. And so he had this little device where he'd speak into this device and it would translate it into English and then I would-

Joanna Fleming:
Where did he get that? That's awesome.

Hannah Furst:
I don't know. And then a translating device.

Joanna Fleming:
Was it like a little microphone?

Hannah Furst:
It's like a walkie talkie.

Joanna Fleming:
What? Where do you get these?

Hannah Furst:
I don't know. It's like some sort of translate device. And then I would speak into it and it would translate. But the funniest thing was, the reason I knew he was Chinese was because I studied Mandarin when I was in high school, so I could understand words that he was saying. And so he spoke into it and it would be like, "Your vagina hurts." It would be like Siri being like "Painful vagina." And I'd be like, "Yes." This is not a joke, this actually happened. I highly recommend this if you get a UTI. So they hooked me up to a drip. I stayed there for four hours. We missed our boat.

Joanna Fleming:
Antibiotics in a drip.

Hannah Furst:
Antibiotic drip. So they hooked me up to the drip and literally I was in a... You know when it's on the stand?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
So I had to carry that back and forth probably 30 times to the little toilet.

Joanna Fleming:
To the toilet.

Hannah Furst:
In and out, and in and out, and it didn't stop. And then finally I think after an hour or two, I of course called my mom crying on the phone.

Joanna Fleming:
"Linda."

Hannah Furst:
"Linda." I was like, "I don't know what's happened." Anyway. And then I kept going back and forth on the toilet and then finally the antibiotics kicked in and it was gone.

Joanna Fleming:
How good is a quick antibiotic treatment?

Hannah Furst:
Oh my gosh, so good.

Joanna Fleming:
I remember I was getting tonsillitis once and I got a penicillin injection in my bum. It left the biggest bruise I've ever had, but my tonsillitis was gone in six hours. That's the best.

Hannah Furst:
I highly doubt that they do that here. Like I don't think they hook you up to a drip in Australia for UTIs.

Joanna Fleming:
Could always ask. I'm not a GP.

Hannah Furst:
I mean it was highly effective. But then what happened was my friend got a... my friend's susceptible to UTIs. She's had a lot.

Joanna Fleming:
Is this the one you were traveling with?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. So then she got one. So I got one and then mine went away really quickly. And then she got one and we actually had to get on a boat because we had a flight to catch.

Joanna Fleming:
Watching her made me feel sick, because I knew what she was going through. So I left her at this restaurant, went to the pharmacy and got some, you know that Ural stuff?

Hannah Furst:
Yes.

Joanna Fleming:
Got her antibiotic, because you can buy antibiotics over the counter there.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, classic. And your Vitamin A, don't forget.

Joanna Fleming:
You can get Vitamin A. You can get Retin-A. So I got her the Ural stuff and the antibiotics, and she had to really tough it out on the boat. I felt really sorry for her.

Hannah Furst:
Oh no.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. And then I knew how bad it felt.

Hannah Furst:
Well, one of the girls in the office had one recently and because we're a very tight knit office, we knew. She just told everybody, which we tend to do.

Joanna Fleming:
I'd scream it on the rooftops at our office.

Hannah Furst:
So a group of people went as support with her to the chemist and got Ural and I think then she went on antibiotics and she just had to stay really hydrated.

Joanna Fleming:
I'm surprised that she stayed at the office.

Hannah Furst:
Same. I was like, "Go home."

Joanna Fleming:
I'd be going home.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. Get out of here.

Joanna Fleming:
She's got strength.

Hannah Furst:
I know.

Joanna Fleming:
I took myself to a clinic.

Hannah Furst:
She was like, "I haven't slept." I was like, "Why are you here?"

Joanna Fleming:
That's really sad.

Hannah Furst:
Google says to drink plenty of water and relieve yourself often. A seamless way to prevent a UTI is to flush bacteria out of the bladder and urinary tract.

Joanna Fleming:
That makes sense.

Hannah Furst:
Yes. And also wipe from front to back.

Joanna Fleming:
That's a simple... I never do that.

Hannah Furst:
Do you wipe forward Hannah?

Joanna Fleming:
No, I didn't do the next one.

Hannah Furst:
Urinate after sex?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Okay, she didn't do that one. All right. Well, at least we know what caused it. That's how we can prevent it. Steer clear of irritating feminine products. Hannah, that's probably you as well.

Joanna Fleming:
Actually it might have been a mixture of things. I probably was dehydrated and I didn't relieve myself often enough and then I was using feminine hygiene products. It was probably a few things.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, and not peeing.

Joanna Fleming:
I know. I didn't want to say that.

Ross Andrewarth:
We on?

Hannah Furst:
We're on.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, we're on.

Hannah Furst:
I feel like we don't need to introduce you. We're just going to go straight into it.

Joanna Fleming:
Well, maybe we do. This is Ross. Hi Ross.

Ross Andrewarth:
Hi.

Hannah Furst:
Ross, one of our faves.

Ross Andrewarth:
Thank you. I'm a first timer. I've popped my podcast cherry with Adore Beauty.

Hannah Furst:
Yes.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes. Welcome.

Hannah Furst:
We're very happy about that.

Joanna Fleming:
I mean you probably know Ross if you follow us on Instagram, because he's on it all the time.

Ross Andrewarth:
We love a cheeky video.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes. Always.

Ross Andrewarth:
We love a cheeky video.

Joanna Fleming:
We spend a lot of time together, considering we don't actually work together.

Ross Andrewarth:
I know.

Hannah Furst:
We haven't done a makeup episode before, have we?

Joanna Fleming:
No, this is our first makeup focus.

Hannah Furst:
You're popping our makeup podcast cherries.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes.

Ross Andrewarth:
Yes, I am.

Joanna Fleming:
All right Ross, tell us a little bit about yourself?

Ross Andrewarth:
So I've been in Melbourne for the last five years, which I'm a newbie to Melbourne, newbie to Australia. So I'm originally from London and I work at L'Oreal, so I'm one of the makeup directors there. I look after YSL and Giorgio Armani, so I'm very lucky that I've got two brands that absolutely love complexion.

Ross Andrewarth:
I'm very lucky that I get to have lots of opportunities where I paint some gorgeous faces, go to great events. And my key thing that I love more than anything is undone beauty, natural makeup. I don't like anybody to have a mask. I want everybody to see the skin when I'm playing makeup.

Hannah Furst:
I always notice that when you do make up, it's all about the skin and not looking painted, a painted on face, which is so in line with this podcast because we talk about that all the time.

Joanna Fleming:
Absolutely.

Ross Andrewarth:
I know, so you think it's quite boring sometimes? I always look at my makeup and I'm like, "I love that, I love that." And I'd be like, "Are people looking at me going, 'Add more. Add more'?"

Joanna Fleming:
I'm not. We've done a few no-makeup makeup videos and I love it. Well, that's my style of makeup though. I'm not a full coverage person.

Ross Andrewarth:
It's my style of makeup, I'm not into the contouring, but I have been.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, I've gotten into it too.

Ross Andrewarth:
I have been. I worked-

Joanna Fleming:
Well, you're from London. Five years ago London would have been-

Hannah Furst:
Oh my God. Like I just-

Joanna Fleming:
... the block brow and the heavy contour.

Ross Andrewarth:
We love it. And I worked for a brand, Illamasqua, for years, and it was all about the conceal it, conceal around. I looked back at some of my work and I'm like, I love that people self-express with makeup and maybe my attitudes changed with makeup over the years or maybe I've evolved, but now when I look at makeup I'm just like, "Less is more."

Joanna Fleming:
Absolutely. Absolutely. On that note, I would like to know from your perspective, why is prepping or priming the skin so important to get a beautiful finish?

Ross Andrewarth:
Yeah, it's so important to make sure you put that prep and love into the skin. For me, the reason I love doing it is because the foundation just glides on like butter. And that's the whole premise for me is to make sure that when you're working with the product and your foundation doesn't go on, it doesn't start to dry or grab in certain areas. You really want this really beautiful fluid foundation going all over the skin, so it just kind of sits perfectly onto the skin. But everybody's skin is different and everybody's prep's different and depending if you've got dry skin, oily skin, or you're dry in the morning, you get that three o'clock shine in the afternoon, preparation's all different.

Hannah Furst:
Okay. I get more than shine. It's like oil.

Ross Andrewarth:
Join the club. Can you see how much powder I put on here?

Hannah Furst:
What does it look like Joanna? I look like you dipped me in oil.

Joanna Fleming:
You just get oily through the T-zone. You're not that bad.

Hannah Furst:
Sometimes it's really bad. It's so bad now that if I wear mascara that's not waterproof-

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, yeah. You don't wear mascara much, but when you do I do notice that.

Hannah Furst:
... it's dripping down my face.

Ross Andrewarth:
But then what are you prepping with?

Hannah Furst:
I'm actually using a mattifying primer.

Joanna Fleming:
He's already accusing you of not doing the right thing.

Ross Andrewarth:
What are you doing?

Hannah Furst:
So day to day I probably don't use a primer, but if I'm going-

Joanna Fleming:
You probably don't, or you don't?

Hannah Furst:
I don't.

Ross Andrewarth:
I'm holding Hannah's hand at the moment.

Hannah Furst:
And then if I'm going out, I do wear a mattifying primer, but nothing will stop it.

Ross Andrewarth:
But I'm dry and I prep my skin. I annoy Joanna on Instagram. "What else are you using?" "What do you think of that product?" "Maybe I should try that." And I've got rosacea.

Hannah Furst:
How come you don't annoy me? Because I don't know?

Joanna Fleming:
Exactly.

Ross Andrewarth:
Awkward. And I've got super sensitive skin and I've got rosacea and in the afternoon my skin is so shiny, but I only put my makeup on an hour ago. So it's quite powdered now, but I'm a powder foundation boy.

Hannah Furst:
I don't know what to... Maybe I'm using the wrong foundation.

Ross Andrewarth:
No, but you know what? This is why-

Joanna Fleming:
So you're wearing the Makeup Forever Reboot foundation, which probably is best for a drier skin type because it is a very luminous look.

Hannah Furst:
I but I like the luminous look.

Joanna Fleming:
And that's fine. You can love that, but you might just need to touch it up a bit more during the day, because that foundation isn't really made for your skin type. You're probably more of a mattifying foundation kind of gal.

Ross Andrewarth:
Well, you might be an Ultra Wear girl.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh yeah. Lancome.

Ross Andrewarth:
I find if one of my clients has got oily skin and she knows that by 10:00 PM if she's at an event that she's going to have that shiny disco ball, then-

Hannah Furst:
Yes, that's exactly, yes. It is a shiny disco ball.

Ross Andrewarth:
Shiny disco ball, but I quite like a shiny disco ball.

Hannah Furst:
It's actually like a glazed donut. That's what it looks like.

Ross Andrewarth:
Babes, you want glazed donut in a photo.

Hannah Furst:
Really?

Joanna Fleming:
I love glazed donut.

Hannah Furst:
I mean I think that with oily skin, every time I look at my face in the mirror, I just repeat a mantra to myself, which is, "You're going to age better. You're going to age better."

Ross Andrewarth:
100%.

Joanna Fleming:
Exactly.

Hannah Furst:
That's actually what I repeat to myself.

Joanna Fleming:
I tell you that all the time.

Hannah Furst:
It will be worth it in the end. Sorry, off topic, back to prepping and priming.

Joanna Fleming:
So I wanted to know what is the key mistake that you think people make when choosing a foundation?

Ross Andrewarth:
Oh my God.

Joanna Fleming:
On Hannah's mistake we've just discussed, I thought that was a perfect segue.

Ross Andrewarth:
Do you know what the key thing for me is, I think you need to choose the right foundation for you. And I think there's cult favorites in the industry that we all run to and we've all been guilty for that. But that foundation doesn't necessarily work for everybody.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, it's the same with skincare as well.

Ross Andrewarth:
And it is trial and error. And I always say when I'm educating, "Never apologize for texture." When people just try to manipulate a foundation to do something that it's not meant to do. Some foundations are just medium coverage. Some foundations are just dewy foundations. They're never going to be that full coverage foundation.

Ross Andrewarth:
And sometimes your skin eats them and they disappear and maybe your skin, you need to use a setting powder or a powder foundation on top. So, I think it's finding the right foundation for you and not necessarily what your friend's got or who you've watched. It's trying to find out what your skin's like. And I think now we're getting better, but five years ago I still didn't know what my skin was like. I think we're getting better to what-

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, that's true.

Joanna Fleming:
Much better understanding skin and then being able to tailor makeup to your skin a little bit better. [crosstalk 00:13:42].

Hannah Furst:
I think it's so true. I remember I used to go into MAC and I'd be like, I'd seen some MAC foundation and I was like, "I'm going to just get that foundation," and I've still got it in my bathroom. And I put it on the other day because I'm like, "I better use this up." It was the oiliest, it was like putting oil on my oily face.

Ross Andrewarth:
You're like, "Oh, I'm so glad Joanna recommended it to me."

Hannah Furst:
No, this was me-

Ross Andrewarth:
I know, I know.

Hannah Furst:
... going to a MAC store, because I had absolutely no idea that I actually had oily skin and it probably wasn't suitable for my skin type.

Joanna Fleming:
Well, I actually had a question on this because we've had a few people ask for recommendations for more mature skin, and I wondered if you could recommend a couple of foundations that you think are suitable for women over 40 for example?

Ross Andrewarth:
So if you remember, I say maturing beauty, and you're looking for something, I love Illumina Silk foundation, but Illumina Silk foundation is not for everybody. And I think if you want a little bit more from your foundation and you want that anti-aging benefit, I actually love Designer Lift.

Joanna Fleming:
And that's Giorgio Armani, isn't it?

Ross Andrewarth:
Giorgio Armani. Absolutely stunning on the skin and it has a really beautiful rich formulation that just kind of adds this hydration and it's got pearl extracts in there as well to get that bounce to the skin, which is absolutely stunning for me when I'm working on maturer skin. Another fave would be the IT Cosmetics CC cream.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, one of our faves too.

Hannah Furst:
Love that.

Ross Andrewarth:
My mom's having such a great experience with it. It's got your SPF in there as well. And that can be either a medium or a full coverage depending on how you want it.

Joanna Fleming:
You know what I love? That Crema Nuda tinted moisturizer.

Ross Andrewarth:
Oh babes. I love it too.

Joanna Fleming:
It's so expensive, but it's so nice.

Ross Andrewarth:
I was like, if you've got the purse for Crema Nera, Crema Nuda is absolutely-

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, Crema Nuda.

Ross Andrewarth:
Crema Nuda.

Joanna Fleming:
Did I say Crema Nuda?

Ross Andrewarth:
Well, it's got Crema Nera in there, but I don't know, Crema Nera, Crema Nuda. It's a luxury foundation, it's absolutely stunning.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, we've used it on me.

Hannah Furst:
It's more of a tinted moisturizer?

Ross Andrewarth:
It's tinted.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. It's more of a tinted moisturizer. It's just stunning.

Ross Andrewarth:
If you wanting a bit of coverage, it's probably not the foundation to work with, but you just want a nice soft glaze, nice glazed donut.

Joanna Fleming:
Glazed donut.

Ross Andrewarth:
There you go. Then Crema Nuda is beautiful on the skin and she does have all the anti-aging properties in there. But Designer Lift and CC for maturing beauty is definitely going to be my go to.

Hannah Furst:
So what comes first? Actually this is something I need to know, foundation or concealer? I still don't know.

Ross Andrewarth:
I think it's personal preference.

Hannah Furst:
Okay. Good. Good.

Ross Andrewarth:
My style of makeup, I'd always use concealer last. So when you work with your skincare and you work with your primer and then you go on with your foundation, your foundation for me is meant to cover everything. Wherever the foundation doesn't cover, then you can go in with the concealer. But you girls have worked with me for a long time, I'm using concealer to add light to the face and bring dimension to the face.

Ross Andrewarth:
So I'm adding lights in areas to add shadow and brightness and luminosity. But remember the concealer, you're only getting a small amount of concealer. And sometimes that concealer can be quite pricey as well, so you don't want to be using lots of it before your foundation. You really just want to be kind of adding the spots and placing it beautifully on the skin where you feel like you need that extra lift, lifting the skin.

Hannah Furst:
That's what I use concealer for.

Joanna Fleming:
I agree with that because I think what you can't cover with the foundation that you still want to conceal, then you can add a bit more. But if you're going in with a lot of coverage first, you can't really take it back a level.

Ross Andrewarth:
And I suppose it's your purse or wallet, how much money you've got to spend. I watch lots of videos where people brighten it-

Hannah Furst:
Painting it on.

Ross Andrewarth:
... painting it on, and I love people doing that. But for me, I think if I was recommending someone to do this for their skin-

Hannah Furst:
Because I use a concealer probably because I got it for free. I use it to contour.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. I said to you the other night, "Whoa, that's a lot of concealer." And you're like, "Is it?"

Hannah Furst:
I'm like, "I didn't pay for this." Like I just contour my whole face with concealer. Is that not okay?

Ross Andrewarth:
100%.

Joanna Fleming:
You do you Hannah.

Hannah Furst:
What foundation do you use?

Ross Andrewarth:
I use a mix. Anthelios tinted.

Hannah Furst:
Yes.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes. La Roche-Posay.

Ross Andrewarth:
Yep. Which I absolutely love, and I actually do love a bareMinerals powder foundation. I've got rosacea and I love a powder foundation. And on me I don't really like a liquid foundation on my skin, because I feel like I look older.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, okay.

Ross Andrewarth:
Yeah, I just put it on and I'm like, "Oop."

Hannah Furst:
Maybe I should try a powder foundation?

Ross Andrewarth:
Love it.

Joanna Fleming:
That might be good for you because you're oily.

Hannah Furst:
To be honest with the foundation for me, I like the first hour or two of like glowy, dewy, luminousness. It's like five hour mark where I look like the donut.

Ross Andrewarth:
You guys do Jane Iredale though, don't you?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, we do.

Ross Andrewarth:
Bloody love Jane Iredale. Sorry for the swear word. Love very much.

Hannah Furst:
That's not swearing.

Joanna Fleming:
That's not swearing. We say (beep) on here.

Ross Andrewarth:
Great. Great. Jane Iredale, I love it. Absolutely love it. I wore that color for like 10 years.

Hannah Furst:
Is that the pure pressed?

Ross Andrewarth:
Pure pressed.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Ross Andrewarth:
I think I even messaged Joanna on Instagram and said, "Have you guys got any of the He 2 left? Because I've been buying it for 10 years.

Hannah Furst:
What's He 2?

Ross Andrewarth:
It's the He range. They had a men's range.

Hannah Furst:
Oh, have they got a men's makeup range?

Ross Andrewarth:
Well, they've discontinued it.

Joanna Fleming:
They don't have it anymore.

Ross Andrewarth:
They don't have it anymore and I was-

Hannah Furst:
Do you think more men wear makeup than we know?

Ross Andrewarth:
100%.

Hannah Furst:
Really?

Ross Andrewarth:
100%.

Hannah Furst:
Actually, I went on a date with that guy and he told me that he was using... He goes on TV, and he was using foundation.

Ross Andrewarth:
Was that his excuse? "I go on TV, I wear make-up. I just got to every day."

Hannah Furst:
I said, "Do you go to the studio and they put it on for you?" He's like, "No, I do it myself."

Joanna Fleming:
What? Really?

Hannah Furst:
Yes. He went to a department store. Got Giorgio Armani foundation.

Joanna Fleming:
What was he using? He got Giorgio Armani. Shit.

Ross Andrewarth:
Great.

Hannah Furst:
Yes. And he was using a sponge as well to sponge it on like a totally-

Joanna Fleming:
We never had this conversation.

Hannah Furst:
I totally forgot to tell you about it.

Ross Andrewarth:
How would you feel about your boyfriend doing that? Get use to it.

Hannah Furst:
Like as in day to day to work?

Ross Andrewarth:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
I don't know how I would feel. I want to be really accepting and like, "I accept you the way that you are." I want to be like that, but I think I'd be a bit worried.

Ross Andrewarth:
I'm like that with guys shaving their legs. It's just not my jam. I'm like, "Why are you doing that?"

Joanna Fleming:
See, I understand if men wanted to color correct. For example, like you've got rosacea or they might have a pimple or something and using a green color corrector and then a concealer over the top. Fair enough. I'd be like, "Yeah, okay."

Hannah Furst:
I'd rather him wear a fake tan.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh no. A spray tan for me is a bit much for a guy.

Hannah Furst:
Not spray tan. Like if he was using the tan like those hyaluronic acid drops, they've got a bit of fake tan in them.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. I'd be okay with that.

Hannah Furst:
Or like the eco tan, I'd be totally fine.

Joanna Fleming:
Just a healthy glow.

Hannah Furst:
Like a healthy glow.

Ross Andrewarth:
Just a bottle of Illumina Silk and a beauty blender.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, that's another level.

Ross Andrewarth:
What was your response?

Hannah Furst:
I was like-

Joanna Fleming:
They didn't go on another date.

Hannah Furst:
I was a bit shocked, because I thought that he'd go into hair and makeup. He as like, 'No, I just do it myself." And I was like, "Oh, okay."

Joanna Fleming:
See, I at that point would have been like, "Oh, okay, cool. So what primer do you use? What powder are you using?"

Ross Andrewarth:
Would you be fine with it?

Joanna Fleming:
No, but I'd enjoy the date. I'd be like, "Yeah, cool. We got heaps in common."

Hannah Furst:
I understood because he was on TV. That I understood.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes, I understand that.

Hannah Furst:
Have you ever done your boyfriend's makeup?

Joanna Fleming:
No, but I always wanted to.

Hannah Furst:
Same.

Joanna Fleming:
I just want a man to do my makeup and do it like how they think it's done.

Hannah Furst:
There's a lot of YouTube videos where they do that.

Joanna Fleming:
I know. If I was a YouTuber I would, but like I'm not.

Ross Andrewarth:
It's not Jack's jam.

Hannah Furst:
Really? No?

Ross Andrewarth:
No.

Joanna Fleming:
I'm requesting, Jack, if you're listening to this, I want you to do Ross's makeup on a YouTube video or IDTV.

Hannah Furst:
IDTV, yes.

Ross Andrewarth:
He would absolutely love to annihilate me with lipstick or something like that.

Hannah Furst:
Can you make him do that? That would be really fun.

Ross Andrewarth:
I just feel sorry for him. He's like go on there and put your face on. In the bathroom, doing everything.

Hannah Furst:
But I think it's really interesting that you, because I have heard you talk about wearing makeup, but I could never tell.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, neither.

Hannah Furst:
So whatever you're doing, you cannot tell. It's like the perfect men's makeup routine that you've got going on.

Ross Andrewarth:
And it's a really weird combo. So I prep my skin, I don't use a primer so I'm like you. And I use plump blusher.

Hannah Furst:
Huh?

Ross Andrewarth:
Plump blusher from Mac. It's like a real dark brown. Like a really brown and I do all my pressing that in with a blusher brush all around my face to add the same color as my rosacea here on my cheeks. So I've got like the same redness over my face. And then I go in with a neutral powder to neutralize it with.

Joanna Fleming:
That is a real technique you've got there.

Ross Andrewarth:
Well, it's just my face is very red. I'm basically like Rudolph.

Joanna Fleming:
You really can't tell. Just on the topic of men's grooming while we're on it, are there any products that you recommend? Guys who are really interested in grooming, what are some-

Ross Andrewarth:
Hannah's boyfriend.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
We went on two dates.

Joanna Fleming:
He's probably listening. I can't remember his name, otherwise I would have-

Hannah Furst:
It's like every other guy I've ever been on a date with, he still looks at every Instagram story I've ever posted.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, I feel like you need to do like a [crosstalk 00:22:45]

Ross Andrewarth:
So cleansing.

Hannah Furst:
No, but literally it's like every Instagram meme about dating now says "I meet a guy, we talked for a couple of days and then he watches my Instagram stories every day until I die." That's dating. You guys wouldn't know. But that's dating for you at the moment.

Joanna Fleming:
Thank you for the bleak insight.

Ross Andrewarth:
Jack doesn't have Instagram, so I'm winning. He's one of those.

Hannah Furst:
One of those.

Ross Andrewarth:
And he's not my ex boyfriend. He's my boyfriend, that I know of.

Joanna Fleming:
So what are some techniques or products that you would recommend for men when it comes to grooming?

Ross Andrewarth:
I don't know. I think that I wear makeup in skincare, but I also like my routine to be very simple. So I don't want to add too many products. So I think that, you know, La Roche Anthelios is a great one for your SPF. So you're hydrating your skin and you're using an SPF.

Joanna Fleming:
I don't think men realize they're meant to be wearing an SPF every day.

Ross Andrewarth:
Every day.

Hannah Furst:
Every day.

Ross Andrewarth:
I'm a newbie to that as well. I've literally, within the last two years, listened to the podcast and gone, "Oh my God Ross, what am I doing? Where have you been?" And I think I've been lucky enough there's been in my powder foundation for the last 10 years, but actually the lights on, I wear it every single day. And I think for guys, absolutely if it's not in your moisturizer-

Hannah Furst:
80% Of your aging is due to UV damage. So it's actually the number one anti-aging product that you can be using for all men out there.

Joanna Fleming:
Yep.

Ross Andrewarth:
And it could be in your moisturizer, and I think that's a great go to. And then just for me, a concealer. A good concealer to color correct or brighten up underneath the eyes. And some guys might need a powder or a mattifying primer as well.

Joanna Fleming:
What about a brow gel? Like a clear brow gel?

Ross Andrewarth:
I would do a clear brow gel. I was like how would you feel about your boyfriend wearing a clear brow gel?

Joanna Fleming:
If they had wild brows, I wouldn't mind it if it's going to keep them in line. You don't want him being Drew Howard.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, that's true. If he hadn't really unruly brows, I would hope that he'd trim them and brush them.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Ross Andrewarth:
Yeah, nice.

Hannah Furst:
I'm fine with that.

Ross Andrewarth:
I'm fine with that. Even a nice bronzer.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. Bobby does a nice bronzer.

Hannah Furst:
I think I'd be more comfortable with the fake tan than a bronzer. If I went into the bathroom... but look, I haven't had a boyfriend for a while so I don't know what boys are doing at this point.

Joanna Fleming:
I don't know what I'm comfortable with at this point.

Hannah Furst:
What are they doing? I don't know. It's very equal now.

Ross Andrewarth:
Hannah's like, "So [inaudible 00:25:13] anything you want, I'll get it for you my love."

Hannah Furst:
I don't know what's normal these days.

Ross Andrewarth:
I know babe, I'm with you.

Joanna Fleming:
I don't think anything's normal these days.

Hannah Furst:
So back on track, what are some of the hero products in your kit?

Ross Andrewarth:
Oh my God, I've got so many. What I'm using a lot of, like my hero product would have to be Illumina Silk. I kind of use her all the time and she resonates with the camera exceptionally well. So I think try Illumina Silk, but you might want to try a different foundation, but as a makeup artist-

Joanna Fleming:
That is a makeup artist fave.

Hannah Furst:
It seems to me a wedding, like a bridal face. It seems it must like last all day.

Joanna Fleming:
Maybe I should be trying that.

Ross Andrewarth:
I'm a real mixer with Illumina Silk. I always put like a drop of All Hours foundation in there as well, especially if you're going for an event or something. Just to give it a bit more longevity [crosstalk 00:26:05] together in there. I love the Neo Nude collection.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, so do I.

Ross Andrewarth:
I'm not into huge strong highlighting. It needs to be a subtle lift.

Hannah Furst:
I never wear highlighter anymore. For some reason I felt like it went out of fashion or something.

Joanna Fleming:
I don't really wear highlighted much anymore either, because I feel like my foundation is glowy enough.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, that's probably why.

Ross Andrewarth:
You flipped foundations now as well.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. I just go wild now.

Ross Andrewarth:
For the Bobby one.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. I still love my YSL, but I'm trying out the Bobby at the moment.

Ross Andrewarth:
It's so important.

Joanna Fleming:
Which is really nice too. Very similar texture.

Hannah Furst:
Did Ross get you onto that foundation, your fav?

Joanna Fleming:
The YSL one?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Fleming:
I might have already been on it and then I made you use it on me in a video.

Ross Andrewarth:
Yeah, it was great.

Hannah Furst:
What is that foundation again?

Ross Andrewarth:
The Touche Éclat All-In-One Glow, and then the Bobby one is the Skin Intensive Serum foundation.

Hannah Furst:
We did a master class together and you got me onto, not that foundation, but lighter coverage foundation.

Joanna Fleming:
Yes, I did.

Hannah Furst:
Because I tried it and I was like, "Oh, this is nice. You can actually see me."

Ross Andrewarth:
The All-In-One Glow?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Ross Andrewarth:
It's not for you, babe.

Hannah Furst:
No, no, I don't wear it.

Ross Andrewarth:
I was like this is an example of going, "Oh wow, your skin is glowing," and I'm like, "Yeah, it will be really glowing by 12 o'clock."

Hannah Furst:
More than glowy.

Ross Andrewarth:
But it's a great foundation if you've got normal to dry skin and you want that hydration.

Hannah Furst:
Do you think IT Cosmetics, the CC cream is not for me too?

Ross Andrewarth:
I think it's so technical, but this is how foundation works these days and complexion products, if you want to use CC because it has, as the hydration, has your SPF, you need to make sure that you're prepping your skin with the right products. And that might be even taking out some of your skincare routine in the morning and make it minimal. It might just be using a lotion, a serum, and your mattifier.

Hannah Furst:
So Joanna said to me, because when I don't wear makeup, I wear a rich moisturizer for wrinkles and she was like, "If you're going to put makeup on, you got to ditch the thick moisturizer."

Ross Andrewarth:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Okay, that's a good tip.

Ross Andrewarth:
But that at nighttime, totally fine, but it's just your prep because you don't know, especially in Melbourne it's just like you've got four season in one day. It could be roasting and then it just starts coming out of your skin. But CC's gorgeous, but you just might need to-

Hannah Furst:
The worst thing is I came home the other night and I said, "Why didn't you tell me?" So I got home and I looked in the lift mirror and it was like maybe one o'clock in the morning and there was like... all down my face.

Joanna Fleming:
I mean it was one o'clock in the morning.

Hannah Furst:
Mascara, but it was like I'd been crying in the bathroom at the club.

Joanna Fleming:
Were you?

Hannah Furst:
No. It wasn't one of those nights.

Ross Andrewarth:
"Where is he? He loves make-up."

Hannah Furst:
I had mascara dripping all down here, because my skin was so oily. You can see how oily, it's actually not too bad today.

Joanna Fleming:
It's fine.

Hannah Furst:
I have IT Cosmetics on today.

Ross Andrewarth:
The CC?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Ross Andrewarth:
No, I love it. Like it's really gorgeous.

Hannah Furst:
It's glowy, but actually it hasn't gone crazy.

Joanna Fleming:
Have you tried the matt version?

Hannah Furst:
No, I haven't.

Joanna Fleming:
I think give that a whirl.

Hannah Furst:
I just don't like matt. I don't know.

Joanna Fleming:
But it's still quite luminous.

Hannah Furst:
Right, okay.

Ross Andrewarth:
But mix it.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, mix them. Mix the original and matt.

Hannah Furst:
Oh, that's a good idea. I'm always like, "You can't mix things," but you can.

Ross Andrewarth:
Some things you can't mix, but trial and error. I'm sure we've all got foundations in our makeup bag that had been there a very long time. Get them back out, start doing a little cocktail together or sometimes you have happy accidents. I walk in and go, "My skin looks knackered. What can use to make it come alive?" And then that's when I start going crazy with all different skincare products.

Joanna Fleming:
Look at you. Wild.

Ross Andrewarth:
Wild.

Joanna Fleming:
Speaking back to dating, so Joanna has challenged me to go on a first date with no makeup. What do you think of that? Is that interesting?

Ross Andrewarth:
Do you know what, it's really funny. I couldn't.

Joanna Fleming:
Is the guy going to be wearing makeup though?

Hannah Furst:
Well, if he's not, it's a no for me.

Ross Andrewarth:
Yeah, you heard it here guys.

Joanna Fleming:
I feel like that's a really good finish.

Ross Andrewarth:
Do you know what? I would say I'd be like, "No way." But then, do you know what, Jack would prefer if I probably didn't wear my makeup. There's some guys who are just like...

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, but you're also a guy.

Ross Andrewarth:
And I wear a full face. No, I don't know. I feel like makeup for me, it's quite deep now, makeup for me is what I love about a red lipstick or what I love about foundation is a transformational piece. If you put a lipstick on or you put your foundation on, it instantly gives some people confidence. They feel like they can face the day. And that's what I love about makeup, that you put it on and you maybe someone else, maybe you yourself, that's what I love about makeup.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, I can't imagine doing it, but I'm working towards it. I have a date next Tuesday.

Ross Andrewarth:
Can you send a picture to us, both of us?

Hannah Furst:
I have a date next Tuesday, so I was going to try it.

Joanna Fleming:
Can you do it then? Were you actually?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. I was going to a fake tan.

Joanna Fleming:
I never thought you'd do it.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. Well, I thought I could do it tonight, because I've got a date tonight as well.

Joanna Fleming:
Do it tonight.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, but I've already been on dates with him. So it has to be first date, right?

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Ross Andrewarth:
Could you do no complexion and just a lipstick?

Hannah Furst:
It's really funny because I have guys follow me on Instagram and I don't wear makeup in Instagram all the time.

Joanna Fleming:
That's what I don't get why you're so uncomfortable. They know what you look like.

Hannah Furst:
They know what I look like.

Ross Andrewarth:
Would you do it?

Joanna Fleming:
I'll do it, yeah.

Ross Andrewarth:
Oh, you would.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
She never wears makeup.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, I'm not self-conscious to not wear make up. I don't care. If they think I'm ugly, so be it.

Hannah Furst:
You are so butt ugly Joanna.

Ross Andrewarth:
If you're ugly, (beep) it. [inaudible 00:31:51] I reckon Jack will propose to me with no makeup on and my hair looking like shit. That will be the moment I'll just look like absolute bag of shit and he'll be like, "There you go."

Hannah Furst:
I did say that I'd rather wear no makeup to my wedding, because then at least they know what you look like already.

Ross Andrewarth:
No way.

Joanna Fleming:
That's what I said.

Ross Andrewarth:
I wouldn't let you.

Hannah Furst:
I've already sealed the deal and so I don't need to prove myself like a first date.

Ross Andrewarth:
He'll be so disappointed, he'll walk out, go, "Oh, didn't take you long to get ready love."

Joanna Fleming:
Thanks for joining us Ross. It was a pleasure.

Ross Andrewarth:
No, thank you for having me. I'm so glad I popped my cherry with you girls. Amazing.

Hannah Furst:
Us too.

Ross Andrewarth:
So Hannah, what's your product this week?

Hannah Furst:
So the reason I've chosen this one is because the other day I thought I'd give red lip liner a go. I've been using like a pinky lip liner to go with my lipstick for quite a while now. But I was really, really nervous about using red lip liner.

Ross Andrewarth:
But you wear red lipstick a lot.

Hannah Furst:
I know, but this is the story. So I have this, it's called Eye of Horus Artistry lip liner. I had one just sitting around the house. I'd never used it before. I was too nervous to use it.

Joanna Fleming:
Why were you nervous?

Hannah Furst:
Because I feel like there's a lot of room for error with red lipstick.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay.

Hannah Furst:
And I'm not the best with lip liner. I'm a bit messy sometimes and sometimes my mom's like, "You've overline your lips, it looks silly," whatever. So I was just being nervous about using it. Anyway, I gave it a go and I then I put my red lipstick on and then my sister, we were out for a drink and she was like, "I haven't wanted to tell you, but your red lipstick always looks really messy."

Joanna Fleming:
With the liner?

Hannah Furst:
No.

Joanna Fleming:
She was saying it looks better with the liner.

Hannah Furst:
It look better with the liner. And she showed me a photo, she's like, "So messy." And I was like, "Oh, why didn't you tell me?" She's like, "I don't know. I just didn't want to offend you."

Joanna Fleming:
Sometimes I'm really glad I don't have sisters. It's brutal.

Hannah Furst:
So I actually had a dinner on the weekend and I was wearing... I love red lipstick by the way. And I used this because I practiced a few times. It looked so good.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, lip liner makes such a difference.

Hannah Furst:
But I have used other lip liners before. Sometimes I find them a little bit slippery. Is that just me?

Joanna Fleming:
How so?

Hannah Furst:
I get it all over my face.

Joanna Fleming:
Mm-mm (negative), I think that's just you.

Hannah Furst:
I was using, I won't say the name of it, but I was using one the other day and it was slipping around on my face. I just didn't find it... or I don't know, I just didn't like it.

Joanna Fleming:
I don't even know what you mean by slipping around on my face. Where are you putting it?

Hannah Furst:
I'll say what it was. It was the MAC lip liner.

Joanna Fleming:
Have you sharpened it?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, it's really sharp, but it's like not... this is a bit more like a lipstick.

Joanna Fleming:
The Eye of Horus is almost a crayon.

Hannah Furst:
Yes.

Joanna Fleming:
It's very creamy, whereas the MAC is a pencil.

Hannah Furst:
Yes.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, so there is a difference in the texture.

Hannah Furst:
So I think I prefer this.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay. It may be easier for you to work with.

Hannah Furst:
That's exactly what I was trying to say, was this one, it is like a crayon and it's a bit thicker and I actually line my lips and then do it particularly in the corners with red lipstick. And I used two, I use the pink one. So the red one is called Pure Scarlett. I also use Sacred Hibiscus, which is pink. And I use that with my... because I use a Nudie pink usually. But it's a really nice lip liner.

Joanna Fleming:
Lip liner makes such a difference with red lips specifically.

Hannah Furst:
Such a difference.

Joanna Fleming:
Because it wears off so much in the corners. So lining your lips and then filling in those corner areas, it'll last so much longer.

Hannah Furst:
Game changer. So my lipstick no longer looks messy.

Joanna Fleming:
Did you know that you can also apply translucent powder?

Hannah Furst:
No.

Joanna Fleming:
You can pat it into red lipstick to make it last longer.

Hannah Furst:
Oh my God, I'm going to do that.

Joanna Fleming:
Hannah's favorite Clarins lipstick got discontinued and she's pissed off about it.

Hannah Furst:
It's still on the website, it's actually on sale.

Joanna Fleming:
All right, well everybody, if it's still there.

Hannah Furst:
It's the Joli Rouge Velvet in Joli Rouge.

Joanna Fleming:
Okay.

Hannah Furst:
Get it while it's on sale. Our makeup aisle will be so happy I said that. What is the product you didn't know you needed?

Joanna Fleming:
So mine is this SILKE London hair ties.

Hannah Furst:
I love them, they're so cute.

Joanna Fleming:
This is like, "Why are you talking about a hair tie?" They're 59 bucks.

Hannah Furst:
Oh god.

Joanna Fleming:
I've done my research. I know people keep being like, "You recommend really expensive things." I'm like, "I'm aware." Anyway, these hair ties are 100% Mulberry silk. So the outer is silk.

Hannah Furst:
Bougie.

Joanna Fleming:
I know.

Hannah Furst:
Bougie hair ties, what's next?

Joanna Fleming:
We are bougie bitches. Everybody knows that.

Hannah Furst:
I think I might be less bougie than you at this point.

Joanna Fleming:
I don't know. So the inside has a strong elastic inside it and then the outside is silk, so it's really gentle on your hair. It reduces breakage. They're just really nice. I like the champagne color.

Hannah Furst:
They look nice.

Joanna Fleming:
They do look nice. So much nicer than a regular hair tie. And if I forget those and like I leave them at home and I've got to use a regular hair tie, I'm just like, "Ugh, yuck."

Hannah Furst:
It's so that you don't get hair breakage.

Joanna Fleming:
Reduces breakage. Yeah. So it's definitely gentler on hair prone to breakage or really damaged hair.

Hannah Furst:
That's what I need.

Joanna Fleming:
If you find that you're pulling your hair tie out and your hair's coming with it or you're getting a lot of breakage around that, it's almost halfway where your ears are. If you finally get a lot of breakage around there at the back of your head-

Hannah Furst:
Well, someone asked me the other day, "Do you have like a straight cut bob, or do you have layers?" And I was like, "It looks like lays cause I have breakage." I think it's from that.

Joanna Fleming:
It might be from your hair tie.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Fleming:
Use the SILKE London ones, they're really nice. Expensive, but you get six in a little pack and I've still used the same ones. So I've got six left, I mean five left. I'm not good at maths. Yeah, I really like them.

Hannah Furst:
The whole SILKE London range is actually really nice.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah. I don't know if I could wear a silk bonnet to bed.

Hannah Furst:
A bonnet?

Joanna Fleming:
Are they called bonnets?

Hannah Furst:
No. They're called hair wraps.

Joanna Fleming:
Oh, whoops. I mean they look like a little bonnet.

Hannah Furst:
I think they look really cute. What are they meant to do?

Joanna Fleming:
They're meant to protect your hair while you sleep to reduce breakage, but also to maintain styles.

Hannah Furst:
Nice.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Sometimes we like to talk about memes we've seen at the end of the podcast and... We'll, I like to, I love memes.

Joanna Fleming:
Who doesn't?

Hannah Furst:
We were talking about our AirPods earlier on in-

Joanna Fleming:
This season.

Hannah Furst:
... this season. We were talking about our waxy AirPods and so this meme says, "Ladies and gentlemen, we have officially come full circle," and so this brand, I don't know, Tapper is the brand called I think, and it's at Nordstrom. And it's called AirPods carrying strap and so it's literally-

Joanna Fleming:
A strap that you attach to your AirPods.

Hannah Furst:
So that they're just like ear pods.

Joanna Fleming:
Yeah, so they just like regular headphones.

Hannah Furst:
Oh my God. I actually almost died when I saw that. I was like, "Do people not know what AirPods are for?"

Joanna Fleming:
I thought that was a joke.

Hannah Furst:
They're real. It's really on the Nordstrom site.

Joanna Fleming:
Wow.

Hannah Furst:
And it's really-

Joanna Fleming:
Shame on their buyer.

Hannah Furst:
Sorry, they're $93.80 Australia.

Joanna Fleming:
Are they like Prada or something?

Hannah Furst:
No, and literally it just straps your AirPods on. And what I love about the product description is, "You'll never lose a single AirPod again." Like don't buy AirPods if you can't keep them.

Joanna Fleming:
I'm shook by that.

Hannah Furst:
Guys...

Joanna Fleming:
Anyway, we're not the only ones that recommend unnecessary things.

Hannah Furst:
Yes, clearly. We will see you next week. Thanks everyone for joining us today.

Joanna Fleming:
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