Episode 10: We Interview Our Boss, Kate Morris

Luxury Flaky Scalp Haircare for Dandruff & Interviewing Kate Morris, Adore Beauty Founder - Beauty IQ Uncensored Episode 10 Transcript

 

Welcome everybody to BeautyIQ the podcast.

 

I'm your host Joanna Fleming

 

and I am your co host Hannah Furst. We're really excited for this episode because we've got probably one of our faves guests. I know we always say that, but this really is one of our fave guests.

 

I think she's probably the most important guest we've ever had. I don't actually want to ruin... I don't actually want to say who it is, until it gets to her

 

Okay. Well, why don't you tell us what's on this episode without revealing too much?

 

So, we are talking about scalp health, in particular, like dandruff and how to treat it. And why it happens. And then we have our very, very special guest

 

We may as well say who it is cause its going to be   in the episode notes.

 

Alright fine. It's Kate, our founder of Adore Beauty, who we think that you will really want to hear from. And, of course, our products we didn't know we needed.

 

So for today's cringey convo, we're talking about scalp health slash dandruff. I have dealt with this. Why do I deal with everything? Why have I been given all of the bad, like luck in my life? I have everything; areola hair, flaky scalp, literally.

 

I mean look, people have worse lives than you to be honest

 

That's actually true. Can you not bring attention to that please? People are going to now troll me and be like 'I can't believe your life is...'

 

It's fine. We know that you deal with a lot Hannah. And you're very open with sharing. We all appreciate. And you have been experiencing dandruff recently

 

I don't know if it's dandruff or... because it's not itchy. This is the difference. I have had dandruff in my youth and I think we've all had it at one point in our lives. And what I...what really, I've always hated about it when I was younger was you have to go to the supermarket and you have to secretly get like, the medicated shampoo. It's like when you buy... when you were younger and you bought pads and you'd like, hide them underneath everything else at the super market

 

Yeah

 

I don't know why I used to do that.

 

But you know what that medicated shampoo does as well, it strips your colour.

 

Yes

 

and it's strips all the moisture out of your hair. So you end up with like, really dry kind of like...

 

So... yeah. So I have had dandruff before and that is... it's really... you really know you have it because your is your scalp is so itchy.

 

Yeah

 

you have a really... Have you had this?

 

Mine doesn't really get itchy, like I've had flakiness before

 

you probably haven't had dandruff before.

 

No but I've had flakiness

 

Right. But well the itchiness is probably... that that's what's so... That's what I hate about dandruff. But I haven't actually had dandruff in the last few years. It's more of a flaky scalp. And the one thing that I learned from starting at Adore, was that your scalp, which I never really thought off, is like a skin.

 

It is your skin.

 

And so, just like we've talked about every other area of your body where you get build up of product or sweat or dead skin cells, it's exactly the same on your scalp.

 

Yeah. But you'll see, like a lot of shampoos and conditioners are designed for the hair and not really for the scalp.

 

Yes.

 

But you were using the sea salt scrub, which I think you did as a product I didn't know I needed.

 

Yes, I did that as a product that I didn't know I needed. So that is a sea salt scrub. As you know, it tastes like salt. That is really, really good. So I don't use... It is a tiny little bit drying and I already have dry hair. So for me, I don't use it every day. Probably a once a week thing, just like I do a chemical exfoliation twice a week. It's really similar. But I have discovered a new shampoo and conditioner and serum for dandruff that is bougie and beautiful

 

It actually is the most stunning packaging I've ever seen in my life. I actually just want to buy it, I don't even have dandruff, but I just want to buy it so that it's in my shower. So that would be the Oribe Serene Scalp .

 

Yes. And also you don't have to like... it looks nice in your bathrooms. It's not like it doesn't scream "I have dandruff!"

 

It's like these pastel pink colour

 

Yeah. And it's also the name; Serene Scalp

 

'your scalp will be serene...'

 

Not 'anti-dandruff shampoo'

 

Why don't we cover of what actually causes a flaky scalp first, if you are experiencing this and you're listening to the podcast. So it could be caused by a lot of things. So irritation, for example, which I think was your issue Hannah; is that you went through a lot of colouring, and probably those chemicals on your scalp caused a lot of irritation, then also people that experience psoriasis and eczema will often get psoriasis on the scalp as well, and that can cause flakiness. Then, if you've ever had, like a sun... have you had a sunburn on your part?

 

Oh my god

 

That is the worst

 

Awful.

 

I've had that so many times...

 

Can you put sunscreen or just wear a hat?

 

Well you're meant to wear sunscreen in your part, but obviously it makes your hair a bit gross. But I mean, if you don't want to have a flaky scalp for three weeks afterwards. And then just drying; a sensitivity to products. And also something that people don't realise they're doing is not washing out products properly. So they're not rinsing their hair well enough when they wash their hair. Or they're not removing the build up of styling products.

 

Do you think that's because, I didn't know this until probably starting in Adore you really need...you know when you go to the hairdresser, and the hairdresser's gives your scalp a really, really good scrub. I wasn't doing that. I do that now. I shampoo twice and I give my scalp a really, really nice massage.

 

especially if you use a lot of styling products.

 

or dry shampoo

 

Yeah dry shampoo is a killer. So you really need to make sure you're washing that out properly. Give yourself a really good scalp massage. That also stimulates the scalp as well to grow healthier hair

 

I mean, I would highly recommend that Christoph Robin Purifying Scrub for once a week. Like do your Sunday routine and give your scalp a good scrub

 

and how do you use the serene scalp stuff because they've got like, a little serum, but they've also got a shampoo and conditioner.

 

So I got that for a period where I was... I went to the hairdresser and she's like, 'you're really...' I had gone through quite a lot of colour. My scalp was really flaky. It was like I was noticing it and it was really... I was like going to meetings and like having to like, dust off my scalp.

 

I never noticed it

 

Really? Oh well probably because I was dusting it off. I did it in the lift on the way to work. And look really closely at my scalp. Anyway, so I then started using the Serene Scalp to try to get that under control. So it's a shampoo and conditioner. And then there's also a serum that it comes with. And so it's really soothing.

 

which is a leave on treatment.

 

So the thing with this is you really got to get into the scalp. You've really got to like, massage the scalp with the product.

 

I find the leave on thing interesting because that's got mint and chamomile in it. So it, like soothes it straight away

 

Very soothing. It feels soothing as soon as you put it on.

 

So if you're irritated and itchy, that would be really nice. I do want to say it's very expensive. Like, the shampoo is $68

 

Yeah, so I would say the price point is... yeah, it's not super affordable. That's why I think that if you're wanting to go for something a little bit less expensive, I think the Christoph Robins , still probably expensive. But you only I'll use that once a week. And it's a really good scrub that you can...

 

It lasts ages as well.

 

Oh my God. You do not need much. You just need a little scoop and it lathers beautifully.

 

And you emulsify with water. Yeah. But if you're a bougie bitch like us.

 

Yeah!

 

Get on the Oribe Serene Scalp because it looks so nice in your shower. Not that we buy products because they look nice

 

I do.

 

Well I kind of do to.

 

Yeah, there you go.

 

I would say that this is probably our most important guest of all time. It is Kate Morris, our founder of Adore Beauty, who's coming to have a chat today.

 

I'm so nervous. This is so funny, I do podcasts all the time!

 

You've been on every other podcast in Australia.

 

Well this is funny. It's like, 'Hey, wait a minute. This is my business. And I don't get to be on until like episode...what episode are we up to? episode 8?'

 

Sorry about that. She's been busy

 

I'm glad that you invited me on.

 

We just wanted to make sure it was going well before we wasted your time

 

Yeah, that's exactly true.

 

I'm so excited.

 

So what our customers and listeners might find interesting is, why did you actually start Adore Beauty all these years ago. It's nearly 20 years.

 

I know, God. That's so... it makes me ancient, doesn't it? Look, you know what? I was a beauty junkie since for ever, like since I was 13 and I used to like, pinch all my mom's Estee Lauder stuff out of the bathroom. And here's me saving up all my pocket money because it was like Clinique gift with purchase time. Like major sort of beauty nerd. And I think what I always loved about because I was a huge dork at school. And I think once I discovered beauty, for me, it was like, 'Oh, I get to be a different person when I put these on' like I can, you know, kind of be the fabulous self that I feel like on the inside. And that was really what I always loved about it. And, you know, fast forward a few years and my uni job was working on the Clarins counter, which I loved, like so much fun. But it really struck me how you know... when I explained to people what I was doing for my part time job, everyone would just kind of like, pull this face and go 'God, I hate going in there, it's the worst, all the women are so scary'...

 

and it's the only place you can go

 

and it was the only place that you could go. And they're like... People would tell me these stories and be like, 'Oh, yeah, I went in there and the woman was like, really aggressive. And she sold me $250 worth of stuff and I came home and cried and made my boyfriend go and return it'. And just like that, you know... like it's supposed to make you feel fabulous and confident and like a million bucks when you walk out the door every morning. And if the shopping experience is so intimidating and so awful for people that it's making them feel worse about themselves, then I thought, well that doesn't make any sense.

 

I've been there. When you go in and you're like... you feel so nervous about it because they're trying to sell you stuff that's so expensive, you don't really want it, you don't know what to say

 

You don't know what t o say, and you don't have all the information either. And you know, they're telling you this thing and you're like, 'I don't know if that's right but okay, uhh...' This was sort of like just in the really, really early days of online shopping, and I was 'uh!'. This is me as a 21 year old student with no idea about anything. I was like, 'oh someone needs to do this for beauty because people would love that'. You know, if you could actually go on and like, look at all the information and read reviews by other people and, you know, be able to kind of mix and match brands without telling you off...anyone telling you off for doing it. I thought, you know, someone's going to do that, that's going to be great. And then I kind of, you know, waited and thought about it for a few months and talked about it. I think I bored all of my friends sick with talking about it. And in the end, my boyfriend and I were driving across the West Gate Bridge because he lived at the opposite side of town to me and he said, sort of looked at each other and he said 'Look, you know, are you going to do this or what?', and I went 'oh'. And it was literally not until that moment that I'd ever thought of starting a business as a career path. I could never... I thought that was something other people did.

 

Yeah

 

Well, I think it's pretty amazing that at 21 you had the insight to be like, ' this is a major opportunity, and I'm going to do it'. Like, when I was 21 I can't imagine doing that.

 

I'm just trying to think, 20 years ago what online shops were there?

 

Well, there was like there was very early Amazon. There was not much in Australia. There was like, Wish List and D Store

 

I don't know any of these

 

I know, it was like, it was really really really early. So there wasn't, I mean, there wasn't anything in beauty, like nothing at all.

 

I think it's really interesting, back then you were like ... because I know you had forums really early, in the early days, as well. Definitely at the forefront of what we do.

 

The social era of   people sharing

 

Yeah, actually letting people talk to each other. And I got to tell you like, this was terrifying for the beauty industry. Like, my biggest challenge in the early years, and look still now a bit to be honest, is trying to convince beauty brands that 'Look, if you let people talk to each other about your products, nothing bad will happen. And that that's actually a good thing and you should use that'. But for the industry, I mean, here was me rocking up as a 21 year old student with no business experience going 'Hey, can I completely disrupt the way that you do business? It will be fun, I promise'.

 

Yep.

 

Yeah. Look, that was slow going at the start.

 

At what point do you think that you realised... cause I didn't really shop online until the last few years. At what point do you think women were like 'No, this is how I shop now'.

 

Oh, look like, now is...

 

Adore was even small when I started almost four years ago, and it wasn't really... people weren't really doing the online beauty thing even then.

 

No...look, and I think it kind of started like, you know, it was sort of... was it like 2011, 2012 or something when like the Australian dollar went up to parody, and all of a sudden everything was like, stupid expensive compared to everybody else. And I think that it was a price thing originally when people started shopping online. But, you know, the good thing about that is that it helped everybody to sort of discover that actually, you know, there are other places you can go. There are other ways that you can do this, aside from having to go into a department store and be...

 

and be almost blind

 

Right, exactly.

 

I know like, my sister who had never shopped for beauty online, she now does on Adore to read. If she wants something, she'll go on...her first thing is to read all the reviews, and she's like 'It's a game changer'. That's been a game changer for shopping for her because she's like, these people actually have used the product

 

Have used the product, yes. I know, revolutionary.

 

Yes, it's amazing.

 

Well a couple of people have asked me before like 'Is the next step for Adore Beauty going to be a bricks and mortar store' Like, that's a question that I get a fair bit. Why is it that you don't want to do bricks and mortar?

 

Oh, look, I just think with online I mean, there's so much more that we can do. I mean, in a bricks and mortar store, I think you're still really limited to the knowledge of, just that one person who's serving you. Whereas online, you've got all of the thousands of people who have tried this product before. And I mean, what we're doing at the moment in terms of the, you know, the personalisation that we're developing for the site, I mean, you're talking about taking the preferences of the millions of people who visit our site every month, and you know, what things do they like? And what things do they buy? I mean, you can't do that in a store, it's really hard, it's actually a bit restricted, weirdly.

 

Yeah, and you have all the information in front of you as well. You can see what ingredients are in things. Like I always find...

 

For you, an ingredient nerd.

 

I always read the ingredients

 

100% me too. And that was the thing, like 19 years ago, that was the first thing. I'm like, because I was looking at beauty sites overseas. And I was like 'why do they not have the ingredients on here?'

 

Yeah.

 

People need to know what's in stuff. That was one of the big frustrations for me in the early days, is that no one was giving anybody any education about ingredients. No one was explaining to anybody how things actually worked. It was all just this kind of marketing bullshit, you know?

 

Yeah. And trying to cut through that online is still a challenge

 

Exactly. Exactly. It's still hard .

 

So you've been working in the beauty industry for 20 years now, or longer because you were on the Clarins counter

 

Well longer because I was on the Clarins counter. And then before that, from the time I was 15 I used to work after school in the chemist and used to beg them to let me work in the beauty area and like, dust the Revlon stand.

 

I love that little photo of you where you've got the crimped hair, and you've done your makeup. I think you were going to a disco or something

 

Oh, yes.

 

I love that photo.

 

That's the one from grade 6, it's 1989.

 

Maybe we should share that on our Instagram.

 

We're going to share that. We'll have to find it and share it.

 

Oh you must. It's a cracker.

 

It's so cute.

 

So you've worked in the beauty industry for a long time, you must have things that you love about it, and then you also must have frustrations about it as well.

 

Yeah look, for sure. I mean, yeah, the things that frustrate me still are things like, you know, just these really stupid airbrushed ads that are like, fake.

 

Like foundation ads where it's like, 'um that's airbrushed'

 

She doesn't even have any pores! It's not even anybody's skin. Mascara ads are the worst for it.

 

Yeah.

 

I'm like, there's no way...

 

That's false lashes

 

That's false lashes! And then photoshop on top of that. It's like, I don't understand why you have to do that like, it's actually just lies. Why would you do that? I would much rather see- Okay, here's the person before mascara and after mascara.

 

Yep. Sold.

 

Show me what it actually does. Like, why should that be so revolutionary? I don't get it

 

Yeah

 

So that's a bit frustrating. I think the whole idea that, you know that's kind of, put out there a bit, that beauty should be effortless. And when you have these beauty icons and they're like, 'Oh, what do your beauty secrets?' they don't go 'well, I get laser and Botox and filler and all this sort of stuff'. They're like 'I drink eight glasses off water a day...'

 

Oh I hate that.

 

'I do yoga'

 

I'm like, what rubbish.

 

'and rub my crystals'. No shade to crystals, I love my crystals.

 

It's just... it's... I don't know why we... why anybody tries to perpetuate that sort of, looking a certain way that, you know, in that sort of luminous way that celebrities do, and it's a lot of hard work. 

 

I think what annoys me sometimes it's like, you're not allowed to not be okay with ageing. I'm like, I don't feel 100% comfortable with it yet. Isn't that okay?

 

Yep that's it.

 

Like working towards it but I'm not there yet

 

Same. Oh yes.

 

It's like, you see your face changing. Like, it is kind of a scary process.

 

It really is. It really is. And look, I mean, I speak as someone who, you know, 10 years ago was like, 'I would never get Botox' and now I totally do

 

Love it. Love it.

 

And, but why doesn't anybody talk about that?

 

Yeah.

 

It's like, can we not just ...

 

we're talking about

 

And you know, that's what I love about Adore and  what we're trying to do here is like, can we at least talk about that stuff and even talk about the fact that, well, you know, we do it, but we would love to be so self actualised that we can sort of, you know, age gracefully and be cool with it, but we're not quite there yet

 

Yeah, exactly. Hannah's allowed to say that she's got a problem with it and no one's going to troll her for it.

 

Yeah.

 

100%. I went into laser place that I've been going to, to you know, sort of get some pigmentation broken up and I mentioned to the nurse I said, 'oh look, you know, I feel like my jaw line's kind of starting to drop a bit. Is there anything we can do about that?' She was like, 'Well, you need to go and get this and you need to get as much done as you can before menopause because after that, it all goes to custard. And I'm like, 'menopause...custard...what?!'

 

Oh that's terrifying

 

Oh God!. And you know, this is what happens when you're in your forties, I'm just like wow this is brutal.

 

It's really like, I feel now.... I'm 30 so there's like that change and you're like, Oh, I'm starting to notice things, particularly around eyes. But then I see my mum, who's gone through it all, she's almost 60 and she's like, still looks good but is kind of cool with it now. That's like, I feel like it's a process.

 

I think so. I think so. And it's something that, you know, I sort of struggle with because I also to... I mean, even just sort of like from a feminist perspective, see the way that women are valued for beauty, whereas men are valued for their success and accomplishments and wealth and whatever, and so it kind of gets better for them as they get older. Whereas for us, it's sort of like goes downhill. And, you know, I see all that. I understand all of that. But still, I'm worried about my jaw line going custard.

 

I think that's like..Is that sort of, do you think with that feminist perspective, it's like hard to sort of...

 

to resolve those things

 

Yeah, to resolve those two things together? Is it okay to be both well, to care about the way that you look, but to also...

 

I think it is. And I don't... you know, one of the things I don't like is people assuming that your superficial because you blow dry your hair. It's like, well it makes me feel good and whose business is that?

 

even superficial for getting Botox. If I like that way I look, why is it your problem. 

 

Why is it anybody else's business? And that's kind of one of my big things about beauty and I guess, one of the values that I've tried to bring through in Adore. Like, sometimes people say to me 'I don't wear eye shadow, do you think I should?' I'm like 'well, not if you don't want to'

 

Yeah.

 

Do what you want. Do what makes you happy. And wear no make up at all, honestly. I would never, ever, ever say to anybody 'you should be wearing concealer', cause it's like, you know what...just do what makes you happy

 

If you walk into the Adore Beauty office, a lot of us don't wear makeup to work

 

Yeah. I think one of the biggest things to me... my misconception, when I started working the beauty industry was like, 'I'm going to have to wear make up every day'. It's been the opposite

 

quite the opposite. I think I said to you...

 

Joanna's like, 'stop wearing makeup to work' and I was like, okay.

 

And that's what I'm really happy about is that everybody feels comfortable enough in themselves to do what makes you happy on a given day. And if it's, you know, sometimes I feel those days where it's like, 'I don't think I've got quite enough in me today. It's gonna have to be a red lipstick day today'. Sometimes you just need that extra thing to give you a lift. And then other days, you're like, you know what 'I think I just chuck a bit of mascara on and I'm good'

 

and I really enjoy doing my makeup. So I like to spend my time doing my makeup. So if I don't have time to do, I don't want to waste time doing a shit job.

 

No, I don't think beauty should ever be a thing that you have to do. Apart from sunscreen, which is like, that's my only thing

 

Every guest has said that and we're like, 'Preach'

 

So yes, that's what...when anybody says, you know, 'what's the beauty thing that you have to do?' That's really the only one thing that you have to do. Everything else, do what you want.

 

Are you one of those people... because I know when you go to events, you spend hours, and you've written about it on Instagram like, 'this took five seconds', but you're like 'no this actually took like, five hours'

 

hours

 

Do you enjoy it?

 

Sometimes. I sometimes don't when it's...when you're in a rush and you've got other things you'd rather be doing. But you have to sit there and you know the make up chair. And there's obviously... there's certain expectations as the CEO of a beauty company, you know, how you should look, which, you know, sort of chase against me sometimes. Particularly when I see the founders of, you know... male founders of start-ups and they just rock up. They barely even brush their hair and their wearing some grotty hoodie with you know, their company branding on the front. And that's perfectly fine. I'm like, 'well I can't do that'

 

I mean you could

 

I could

 

Make a statement, Kate

 

Right. I think people would just be like, 'Oh my god, are you okay? are you sick?' Actually, my mother in law does that sometimes if I ever go to her place on the weekends, and I don't put makeup on. She's like 'oh Kate you look so tired'

 

oh no

 

I'm like 'no that's just my face'

 

I think the thing with make up as well, and I think you two will probably agree with me, is that I don't do my make up for men. I do my makeup for the girls at work to be like 'oooh! I love your liner today' Like, I've never applied makeup and gone like, 'I'm doing this because I want a man to notice'

 

'A man to see I'm attractive'

 

Yeah, I do it for women. To admire my makeup

 

It's the same with fashion, isn't it? It's like I'm pretty sure my partner hates most of my fashion

 

yes

 

and I don't care.

 

Yeah, but you know the girls in the office like it

 

That's it.

 

we're doing it for each other.

 

So, education is a really big part of what Adore Beauty does. Do you think consumers are more educated now and why are they sort of like, eating it up now? Because back in the day, it was like, you're just like 'I'll get that it says it's some sort of anti ageing'

 

Well, back in the day, I mean, you didn't... what choice did you have? I mean, you walk into a department store and go into whatever... up to whatever counter. And you just had to rely on whatever they told you

 

and you didn't understand what that ingredients, they just had fancy names that meant nothing to you

 

that meant nothing, yes, exactly. And so I'm really excited that people are really getting way into it.

 

So am I.

 

You know, and then there's people going 'So, retinol. How does that work?' It's like, brilliant...

 

people are doing their own research and they're making their own purchases independently, which I love, I'm like 'yes! power to you'

 

Makes me happier than anything. Because, I mean, I think, you know, people sort of asked me a lot, so sort of, you know, and it'll be often in the context of business conversations, even and then at the end, and they sort of get this look on their face. I know what questions coming next. It will be like 'So what's really the best thing?' Like it's some secret. There's one best thing

 

That we're all using and none of you know about it

 

And we're just not telling anybody. And it's like, well, it totally depends. I mean, you know, there's plenty of people who like things that are super luxe, and they want the heavy glass jar and the beautiful smell and that's much more important to how they feel about their skincare routine than whatever percentage of retinol might happen to me and they're perfectly okay, like just do you, you know? And so what I love might not be what you love might not be what my mom loves and that's brilliant. I mean, that's what Adore is all about

 

yeah, being brand agnostic and being able to just buy whatever you want. You don't have to use everything from the same range

 

No and please don't, because the whole idea that any one range would be perfect for anybody. And everybody has got... everybody's skin is different and what everybody is like, willing to do. Like how many serums that you're prepared layer? I mean, personally, I'm like, you know, like four at a minimum. but a lot of people-  maybe not. So that's... and that's totally cool.

 

Well, on that note, I would like you to share your current skincare routine because we do ask our guests this question a lot, and I feel like yours is probably gonna be the best one we've ever featured.

 

Okay. Alright. So morning routine, I would usually cleanse with Aspect Purastat cleanser, which I use in the shower, it's just a nice, light, gel cleanser and kind of, takes everything off, doesn't irritate my skin. Then we launch into the serum situation, which at the moment there's four SkinCeuticals ones that I do one on top of the other. So C E Ferulic first, which is just the best thing ever. I mean it is stupid expensive, but it's so good. And then the Retexturing Activator

 

Oh my god, how good is that?

 

So good!

 

Isn't it? Were you using that before I started, like just talking to everybody about it?

 

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

Oh, should have come and talk to you about it

 

It's the business. It just makes your skin just flawless.

 

Yes, it does, doesn't it?

 

texture wise.

 

that's what I said.

 

Oh my god, you guys and this serum. She talked about it a few weeks ago and she was like, 'Oh, my God!' exactly the same. I really have to try it now.

 

it's really very good. And then I do sort of two hydration serums after that. So I do the HA Intensifier, like the one in the purple bottle and then also the Hydrating B5 gel on top

 

All SkinCeuticals?

 

All SkinCeuticals. This is... mind you, this is what it is at the moment.

 

Yes.

 

You're like Jo; it changes all the time.

 

It does, but look I have been on the SkinCeuticals for a while actually.

 

Yeah I do love SkinCeuticals

 

And your skin is looking glowing

 

Thank you.

 

It does.

 

I'm not wearing any foundation today.

 

Really?

 

No I've got a bit of the Ultra Violette Queen Screen, and I mixed it with a bit of the Clinique. Oh what's it called...like, the cc cream. Just a smidge

 

Yeah.

 

I dare to say you were better than you did 10 years ago. I feel like you're reverse ageing. Like me.

 

Let's hope so.

 

We should get Kate to do that skin scan that we did..

 

Yeah, when they come in

 

Yes.

 

So they...the visioscan, have you done that?

 

I did that with... No, I did... there's SkinCeuticals one, which is like, it's like a wood's lamp.

 

Yeah

 

Well if you want to do it, they're coming in.

 

It tells you your skin age.

 

So my skin age was five years older. Hers was five years younger.

 

I think yours would be 10 years. You should do it.

 

fingers crossed.

 

So what's at night?

 

So at night time... Look, night time, I'll sort of mix it up a little bit more. I'll tend to alternate a bit more. So, I'll use either the SkinCeuticals Resveratrol...what is it Resveratrol B E or something I don't know...

 

Yeah, I know the one. I've got that one.

 

You know that one, the night time one.

 

Do you use the Medik8 Crystal Retinal?

 

No, no, I use... Look, I have used the PCA Skin Retinol 0.5. But honestly, it melts my face off every time.

 

What do you mean?

 

Like, I'll get a couple of days later, I'll get peeling...

 

Are you quite sensitive to retinal?

 

I think I must be.

 

Because I never peel

 

I am well

 

Yeah, so that's why I like... I can't use retinal every night. So maybe that's because I'm using so many serums in the morning, right, that I need to just kind of go easy. Actually, you know what? One thing I would have bean really liking for night time is the Biologi Evening Radiance serum. And I'm not usually like a clean beauty person, I'm sort of like give me the chemicals.

 

Yeah, me too.

 

Are you also a cosmeceutical snob like Joanna?

 

100%. But look, the Biologi, I really like. It's really like in terms of a natural product that's also pretty hardcore. Yeah, that's amazing. Like you can feel how active it is when you put it on your skin. And that's not a thing that I usually get from natural products. I actually really like that.

 

Okay, I'll give that one a whirl.

 

So that's pretty good. And then I'll usually use moisturiser wise, either the Aspect Phytostat 9. Which I know you love also Jo

 

You guys are so similar in your skin care.

 

I know, but it's so good. It works for morning, it works for night, it works for summer, it works for winter. Like, it's just... there's no time that I don't love it.

 

it's perfect.

 

or the SkinCeuticals... What's it called?

 

Is it the complex? I know the jar I can see that jar in my head.

 

You know that jar and it's like, aging... I can never remember the names of anything. So I quite like that one too. But again, it's quite active so I wouldn't necessarily use it every night. So I alternative at night time.

 

And I think you have the same Mesoestetic fast skin repair for when you overdo it on the retinol.

 

When I overdo it. Yes, I use that what I'm really liking also at the moment is the new Estee Lauder Advanced Night Repair.

 

Oh yeah, the concentrate.

 

The new one. Yep. I really like that It's really nice. Like on the nights when you're like, 'Well, I think maybe no more actives today'. Yeah, chuck some of that on and my skin's always happier in the morning.

 

Amazing.

 

Awesome.

 

I think you were my favourite guest, Kate

 

Oh, you have to say that.

 

No I don't. You can't fire us now we've got the podcast.

 

Thank you so much for joining us.

 

Oh. Thank you

 

the product we didn't know we needed

 

I feel like we should have a jingle for this

 

Go on. Do a little... sing a little song.

 

I will not do that.

 

Can you sing?

 

No. Wouldn't I have like, let you know that earlier

 

Do you know that my mum doesn't let me sing in public.

 

Yep.

 

I'm the worse singer. If I'm singing on camera on my Instagram, like at concert, mum will direct message me straight away

 

Delete it.

 

'Hannah, what have I told you about singing in public?' So what's the product that you didn't know you needed?

 

So mine is actually a dry shampoo because this particular dry shampoo changed the way I thought about this product. So it's the R & Co. Spiritualised dry shampoo mist and by mist, I mean, it's a mist.

 

Actually, it's got a micellar water in it

 

Yeah. It cleanses the hair with like, a micellar but also just leaves it looking so much cleaner than dry shampoo makes my hair look. I find I spray normal dry shampoo in, it makes my hair kind of look dirty, in a way like it doesn't achieve what I want to achieve. But this particular product you spray in, it's very wet. I spray it all over my roots and then...

 

'it's so wet'. Stop Joanna!

 

Sorry!

 

Another one

 

So you spray it into your roots and then...

 

Is it moist?

 

It's moist

 

you hate that word.

 

I don't mind it actually. And then I actually dry in with my Dyson, so I would never spray it in and then just leave it because I feel like it would dry really funny. But if you use your brush and you just brush it in and you dry it in, honestly, it makes my hair really clean. It doesn't feel clean when I touch it, you can feel kind of like that dry shampoo residue

 

It's not like a volumizing,

 

I find it quite volumizing

 

Really?

 

yeah, because other dry shampoos make my hair really flat. I think my hairs so fine it just holds it down.

 

Now the thing about this one is, Joanna and I did a little competition. How long we could go without washing. Don't ask. We actually had three different dry shampoos. We had powder, we had an aerosol and we had Spiritualised. And we both said that was the best yet for really going... If you really want to go a week, guys...

 

we both got to seven days.

 

Yes, it really soothes the scalp

 

Yeah it does

 

and that's because it's got micellar water in it. It's a really weird like...

 

it smells nice too, which is a bonus. But also, you can take it travelling too. So if you're like

 

Cause it's not an aerosol

 

Yeah, exactly. So you can just take it in your bag wherever you go. And you've always got your dry shampoo. Only thing is, you need to have a hair dryer handy,

 

which I don't have.

 

You're a weirdo for not drying your hair. Does everyone else dry their hair or are people air drying? Am I the weird o here?

 

I think you're the weirdo. I feel like this podcast has shown that you're the weirdo. And I'm the normal one.

 

It has. It's pointed out that I'm the only one just wearing undies and not a panty liner.

 

By the way, I'm still getting dms about that.

 

So Hannah, tell me what your product is.

 

So this is an interesting one. I wanted to do something different this week. This is the product I didn't know that I needed that I don't want

 

Oh, she's gone rogue. Okay. Please share

 

Yeah, I wanted to... so I wanted to give a little bit of feedback, and it might just be me, but I tried tube mascara and I don't like it. Not a fan

 

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.

 

I actually wanted to get...what were your thoughts on tube mascara?

 

I don't mind it. I've just got really sparse lashes. I've got long lashes, they're straight and very sparse. So I prefer kind of like a volumizing mascara, which I don't find a tubing mascara does for my lashes. But in terms of something that's not waterproof, that will stay on all day and is really good for oily skin types that smudge a lot around their eyes, I think a tubing mascara is excellent. 

 

So I am an oily type. And you know that when I put mascara on particularly I like to put a lot on my lower lashes that I do get that smudgy, panda look. However, as we've discussed, I don't shower every...

 

Yeah but also, I learnt that you weren't washing it off properly.

 

Yeah, yeah, that's that other thing. But the thing with it is, unless you're gonna have a shower and put warm water...

 

Which most people do...

 

Which most people do...maybe people don't shower twice a day, Joanna. Maybe people only shower once a day.

 

Yeah that's fine  but you're not showering your make up off.

 

I am washing it, though, but the problem is that you need to really like, for me, the tubing mascara, you gotta get in the shower and you've got to like put warm water takes it takes a bit of effort to get off.

 

I don't think it's that hard

 

I find it like high effort

 

Hannah tried to get it off with cleanser. And she was like 'how f***en hard is it to get off?' I was like, 'You're doing it wrong'

 

Yes. And so the other thing... The other reason I don't like it is because I wear contact lenses and I actually find it a little bit heavy on my...it actually feels a little bit heavier than normal mascara. And so I find it a little bit more irritating with the contact lenses.

 

OK, that's fair feedback.

 

Yeah so that's my feedback. So I do still want to recommend a mascara that I love. So the mascara that I use is the Eye of Horus Goddess mascara

 

which is our best selling mascara.

 

Adore Beauty got me onto it and I've never looked back. It's a really, really just good allrounder everyday mascara, and I highly recommend. But who do you think tube mascara would actually be... A lot of people would benefit from tube mascara.

 

Yeah, I think people that like waterproof formulas, or wear it for really long periods and don't want to worry about flaking or smudging and obviously oily skin types as well as I said.

 

I did actually wear it on a night out and it did have staying power

 

Yeah it does. Because it really does only come off when you want it to come off. But the goddess mascara , I think it's important to point out that's a lengthening and separating mascara. So for me, I really like the formula that it's like a natural formula, and it is really nice. But for my lashes, that are really sparse and need volume- That's not the kind of formula I go for. So for someone with like fairly full lashes, that wants a lengthening and separating the goddess mascara is perfect. But if you prefer more volume, then that's probably not for you.

 

What's your volume, what do you use?

 

I've got a few on rotation, but one I love is the benefit Bad girl Bang

 

because you're a bad gal

 

It's you doing the sexual innuendos not even me

 

I can't help it.

 

This segment has become like a product I didn't know I needed plus, sexual innuendos

 

sorry about that guys

 

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