Episode 13: A Dermatologist Answers Your Sensitive Skin Questions

A Dermatologist Answers Your Sensitive Skin Questions - Beauty IQ Uncensored Episode 13 Transcript

 

    Welcome everybody to Beauty IQ the Podcast.

I'm your host, Joanna Fleming.

And I am your cohost, Hannah Furst.

Hannah and I just look paged, LOL, like another episode. We're back here again.

It is.

We love being here though.

We do.

Don't get us wrong.

But it is 33 degrees outside, and we're in some-

We're locked in a room with no windows.

A padded room.

So yeah, we would rather be outside. But we're here for you guys. So Hannah, what's on today's episode?

So on today's episode, we are talking about piercings. We have a really funny...

This really gross, guys.

It's really gross...

Trigger warning.

But keep listening. Then we're talking to a dermatologist, all about sensitive skin.

Yes.

We asked you what you wanted to know. And so she's going to come and answer some of your questions and obviously, a product we didn't know we needed. So, onto our cringy convo. I started telling my mom about this convo. She's like, "Stop, stop."

Don't tell Linda we're doing things. She won't let you do it.

She was like, "I don't want to know."

You did her exact voice then. That sounded exactly like Linda.

Linda's my mom, by the way. So what happened was we were talking about piercings and we both have old.

We were literally sitting at our desks and Hannah started telling me about her belly button piercing. I was like, "Oh my God, me too."

I was trying to gross her out. But she was like, "Oh my God, me too."

Yeah.

So if you have ever had a belly button piercing and it kind of went out of fashion. Because I've got my done at 15.

Same and I probably only had it for two years.

Yeah, I like lied about my age and got my belly button pierced. And then as you get older, it's not kind of cool.

Yeah.

I might, no, it's just personal preference.

I kind of just found them comfortable because I think that's when high waisted pants started coming in.

Yeah.

So I wanted to high waisted jeans, but it would always dig in and irritate it.

Because back 15 years ago, low waisted jeans were in.

Yeah, low rise. Or and then when it got to my age, because I'm a few years younger than you, it was high waist and then I couldn't really wear them because they were awful.

So I took mine out thinking.

Same.

Like every other piercing that I've had that I've taken out, because I've had my noise pieced three times if you can believe it.

I can't even see any trace of you having your nose pierced. That's amazing.

Yeah. Because it heals and then hole's gone. And I've actually taken one out in my ear and it's already healing over, which is great.

Wow.

One thing that you should know if you're considering getting a belly button piercing is it does not close over.

I fully regret getting mine.

Ah, fully.

Major regret it.

Fully regret it.

If I had known that I was going to be left with this hole forever, I never would've gotten it done.

So please tell us what is the worst thing about having an old belly button piercing?

It's the gunk that goes inside it. It is foul.

Okay. I do it probably every few months or six months you have to squeeze.

Good to let it build up.

But that's because it's so disgusting. I don't want to touch it.

Yeah.

So you actually have to warning, this is disgusting, but you have to squeeze the gunk out of the hole.

Out of the piercing hole.

And it smells like rotten flesh.

Yeah see, when you said that, I was like, I have never smelt mine.

You can smell it from...

I can't smell, because I do it in the shower.

Oh, okay.

I'm not doing it just laying in bed.

It literally smells like rotten flesh. It's disgusting.

No honey you've got to do it in the shower, because you moisten up the skin.

Ah okay.

And it softens and then all the stuff inside and so it squeezes out a lot easier, that's just my personal dupe.

It's like a pimple. It's like squeezing a pimple.

And you guys know I love that stuff.

Yeah I know, is it like puss?

I think it's just a buildup of shit to be honest.

Yeah. Like gunk.

And tan. Think about how much we tan.

Oh gosh yes.

It would just all be fake tan and yuck stuff.

It's really gross guys. And it's never going to go away. We're stuck with this forever.

I'm not that mad about it though. It's kind of satisfying.

I find this really. Of course you like doing it. Of course it turns her on guys.

Guys, if you don't know what we're talking about, there might be some YouTube videos. I haven't looked them up.

Yeah I wonder if there is any YouTube videos.

But if you're interested and you've never had your belly pierced.

So another thing that we probably should talk about though is infected piercings.

Yes.

I actually have got a lot of piercings. I have six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11. 11, I have 11 piercings.

Yeah.

Sorry for counting on air.

I've got two in my ears and that's it.

So I have a lot of piercings and I have a lot of cartilage piercings. And I've had my noise piece three times. And so I've actually never-

Do they hurt those cartilage ones?

Oh my God.

Yeah. That makes me feel a bit sick.

You're going to die. Because I've had them done overseas.

Of course you have, it's Hannah Furst.

So when I got the ones done, I've got three on my cartilage that's on my sleeping side. I literally slept in pain for two years.

Wow.

The things that we do.

Why didn't you just take it out?

Because they look cool.

Oh wow. Okay.

So I have a friend that always gets an infected piercings and I went with her a few weeks ago to get it done. And she told me what had happened. So basically it got so swollen that her ear engulfed the piercing in swelling. And she actually then had to go to another place. And I think they had to like somehow she said it was the most painful experience.

Ouch.

They had to get the piecing out.

Yeah, I've seen people with almost those keloid scars it's like a ball surrounds, like a ball of skin or something. I don't know what it is.

Yeah. I would recommend going to a doctor if you've got a really infected piercing because there might be something wrong with it.

Yeah. But sometimes with piercings it can just be friction. Especially with nipple piercings and things like that way there's always a bra on it or a T-shirt or something over the top.

That's the next piercing I want to get.

Okay. Well you can tell us about it when you get it.

The pain of it.

And then ears as well, like sleeping on piercings.

That's what I've experienced.

Which you would experience when you get them.

It wasn't infected it gets quite red.

Yeah and sore.

And painful and sore. It's not infected. But look before getting any cartilage piercings, I would definitely think long and hard. They take a really long time to heal.

Yeah.

Which makes sense because it's trauma to your ears.

So yeah, if it seems infected you should go to your doctor because most of the time you probably have to go on antibiotics. But you should be definitely using those antiseptic sprays and stuff after your piecing.

Do you know what's happened to me as I've gotten older and piercings?

Mm-hmm (affirmative)?

I can't deal with the pain anymore. When I was younger I used to just like do it all the time.

Yeah.

Like really reckless and now I'm like, "No."

Like you get tattoos now?

Yes.

Yeah.

Well tattoos don't hurt that much.

Don't they? I've never had one.

Well small tattoos don't hurt.

Okay.

For me they don't hurt.

Hannah just came into work one day and she's like, "I got a tattoo on the weekend." I was like, "Cool."

That's happened a couple of times though.

Yeah.

Yeah. It's happened twice since I've worked at Adore. I'm all for tattoos guys. But the piercings I can't do anymore. The whole concept of a big needle going in through your skin freaks me out.

So if you guys have really gross things from piercings, we really want to hear about it. Well, I do personally, but I portably won't like it.

Yeah. No. I really want to know about nipple piercings.

Yeah.

Because ever since Kendall Jenner got one and Kylie Jenner got one.

Oh does Kylie have one too?

I'm like an impressionable young girl. I just want exactly what they have.

You're a millennial.

I know.

30-year-old millennial.

When she got that nipple piercing, I was like, "Oh, I really want that." But the thought of, I can't.

I can't.

I can't.

I cannot.

I'd have to be so sedated.

Yeah.

They'd have to give me a local anesthetic in my nipple.

I just constant imagine the constant discomfort of that.

Yeah. And what if it rips your nipple out.

But just wearing a bra and having that rub on your bra all day. Like, oh, I just can't do it.

I feel like with every piecing though, that it doesn't do that anymore.

Yeah.

So the piercings that I have now it doesn't.

You just dint notice them.

You don't notice them. It's like they're not there.

Well, make sure you share your gross piercings stories with us via DM.

Gross please, and also definitely tell us are we the only ones that get the gunk in our old belly button piercings?

If you've got the belly button gunk and you like to squeeze it out in the shower let us know.

It's really revolting. But clearly Joanna also gets sick pleasure from it as well.

Welcome to our guest for today's podcast it is Dr. Cara McDonald. She is a dermatologist. Cara can you tell us a little bit about yourself?

Thanks for having me. I'm a dermatologist in Melbourne. I work in a practice called Complete Skin Specialists where I'm a co-director. And we do all things skin, love skin. I have a special interest in preventative skin health. So trying to prevent inflammatory skin conditions, skin cancer and aging of course. But really I do everything I do general dermatology, skin cancer, surgery, cosmetic dermatology and everything in between.

And today you're joining us to talk about sensitive skin in particular.

That's right.

What really surprised me was that we put up a poll on Instagram. Do you have sensitive skin? And the vast majority of people that voted said they did have sensitive skin.

This is something I really want to ask about.

Go ask.

Because it does my head in. Because I feel like everybody thinks they have sensitive skin. Do you find that some people are confused between having truly sensitive skin and sensitized skin? Or an impaired barrier as opposed to being truly sensitive?

Yeah, absolutely. I'm sure you've got a bit of a bias there that anyone that has sensitive skin is like, "Yes I've got that." Because it is a common skin type. We consider sensitive skin a skin type rather than a skin disorder. So everyone falls in a spectrum there somewhere. And if you don't have tough acne prone, oily skin, then a lot of people do associate with having sensitive skin for one reason or another. Sensitive skin is defined in a few different ways. But generally it is where people feel that their skin is tight or stingy or tends to burn. They have product intolerance. So they do find that they can only use certain things on their skin or sometimes they feel that they can't use anything on their skin at all. It feels like it reacts. It might flush, it might burn. But again, it's a spectrum and it certainly varies depending on how you're looking after your skin and whether you fall into that category or not might depend on what you're doing with it as well.

I think that's interesting you say, acne oily prone is tough. That's what I have. And I never ever, I'm like you always talk about being sensitive to retinols and things like that. I'm like, what are you talking about? I've never felt such a thing?

Yeah, it tends to be the opposite end of the spectrum and then you've got something like combination or normal skin in the middle there. But some people have sensitive skin at some point and oily skin at some point, acne at some point. So it can definitely change through your life as well.

How would you know if you have sensitive skin?

I would say that the most common complaint is that people struggle with active ingredients. They can find all products make their skin feel sore or stingy or tight, peel, redness. They may just have that feeling the whole time. You can feel like you're flushing or burning when you're not.

Yeah.

It really is variable. And as you mentioned before, there is definitely some confusion between having sensitive skin and actually having an inflammatory skin disorder or skin allergy. And so we see that if you've actually become allergic to a product, then you tend to get an itchy rash from that product. But you can also be irritated by a product. And people with sensitive skin are probably more likely to get irritant reactions, but anyone can get an irritant reaction. And that can be different again. And sometimes it's hard to differentiate between all these things. And then you've got inflammatory disorders such as rosacea or eczema and separate dermatitis and periorificial dermatitis. And again, these can all have some crossover and people get very confused as to whether they've actually got a diagnosis, an inflammatory skin disorder or just sensitive skin.

It's complex, isn't it?

Yeah.

So what ingredients in general for sensitive skin do you recommend that people avoid if they think they've really got sensitive skin. And you're saying all these things and they're nodding their heads, what ingredients should they avoid?

I think it's important to understand that they should be able to use most things. But it's how they use them and getting their skin used to them and possibly repairing their skin barrier first, which is the important thing. So the first thing is to start with what we like to call bland products. So products that are less likely to irritate the skin, fragrance free, hypoallergenic. Minimize some of the active ingredients. Some of them are good, some of them are antiinflammatory, like Nice and Mind for example. But it's not so much about what to avoid, it's about repairing the skin and getting the skin in the optimum condition. And then going really slowly and testing things on your skin before you jump into it.

A lot of people like to start a whole new skincare regime. And they'll start three or four products at once. And it's a disaster because not only did they not know what is causing the problem, but it's just too much for their skin to handle at once. But if you actually go one by one, often they'll actually be able to use these things. Even the most irritating products such as retinoids can often be tolerated if they introduced the right way and the skin's in good condition first.

So for someone with sensitive skin that comes in and sees you, generally, how do you treat that person? How do you get them on the right skin care?

So the first thing is to work out if they have a diagnosis as well. Okay. And as I said, a lot of people complain that their products burn or sting when they put them on. They may say they get a rash, they may say they get breakouts, they may feel like they're flushed. It's important to determine whether or not they might have rosacea or they might have an allergy to one of the products they're using. Whether they getting an irritant reaction to one of the products they are using or whether they've just got plain old sensitive skin.

So the first thing I try and do is have a look at what they're actually doing. And in most cases they are all over the shop. A lot of people will say, "Oh well it's all natural that I'm using." But they have no idea what's actually in those products. And that means absolutely nothing unfortunately. It doesn't mean it's less likely to react. In most cases what I do is try to stop most of what they're doing. And make sure that they're doing the basics really well. So a soap free cleanser, a really gentle cream cleanser preferably. And then daily sun protection and all inflammation and skin sensitivity is made worse by sun and UV light.

And a lot of people say, "But I can't use sunscreen it irritates me, but often they're using fragranced products or products that aren't made for sensitive skin. So I'll try and get them on to something like La Roche-Posay, which is made for sensitive skin. Or even sometimes a mineral based sunscreen. If they're finding some of the chemical ones are irritating. So really basic routine where we're doing sunscreen every morning, gentle cleanser and then emollient at night, which is designed to give a sensitive skin. So hypoallergenic, preferably free of preservatives even. And once you kind of establish whether they can tolerate that, you can then determine what the real problem is a lot of the time.

You did sort of answer before with I think the most questions that we get from sensitive skin people cause they just want to use actives. And they want to get the anti aging happening. So how would you get someone once they've got their barrier under control, is that the right word?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Once they've got their barrier under control, kind of how would you start introducing, can they introduce acids and retinols and other kind of irritating ingredients?

Yeah. So the keys to go gently, gently, gently. So, as you guys would know your number one anti aging product is sunscreen.

Preach, I was just going to say that. Because every single guest has said that it's really interesting.

It's so good. It's a real movement.

Yeah. It's a movement.

And older people would still don't fully understand sunscreens. They don't understand the difference between UVA, UVB, they don't understand that they need to use it every day throughout the year. They don't understand the difference between physical and chemical sunscreens. So just starting there is really important because my thing is that if I can get someone using sunscreen every day of the year, that's 80% of their anti aging covered. So focus on that first. And I'll often do things, we call it a repeat open application test, which is where you just use the product in a small area to start with. That will help you work out whether you're truly allergic to it or having a problem with it. Or whether your skin's just reacting because it's all a bit too much. So it's a good way to test a product to start with.

But if I can get the sunscreen going, then absolutely start with the more active ingredients. But we can go for products with a lower strength of retinol. Vitamin C tends to be very irritating for people with sensitive skin. But there are a few products on the market that people will tolerate better than others. But I'd certainly leave that to last. So we're trying to get the Vitamin B in because that's anti inflammatory, it will help repair the skin barrier, improve hydration and actually allow them to tolerate other things. I would usually start with an alternating nightly of hydroxy acid.

So implement that where we just do a tiny amount every second night and then you put moisturizer over the top of it. You skip it the other night, and if you're tolerating that after a month, you can then add a low strength retinoid the other night. And do the same thing a tiny amount, put moisturizer over the top. You can even mix it with your moisturizer if you feel like it's still a bit too irritating. If you get the irritation, you skip an extra night and then keep going. And you'd be amazed that if people are committed to it, they can tolerate it with that kind of routine.

Yeah. You really do have to build up tolerance with those kind of ingredients.

Absolutely.

So it is about being patient at the same time.

Patient. Yep.

And so you touched briefly on eczema. I didn't even know what eczema was before I started working at Adore.

Most people don't, don't worry.

Well what is eczema for those that don't know what it is and how might you treat eczema?

All right, so eczema kind of is a general term which can cover different types of dermatitis, but it generally describes what we call atopic dermatitis. So that's the kind of genetic itchy childhood rash that people get that as a child commonly involves the elbows behind the knees and can be widespread.

And most of these people have a family history of what we call HP and that's a genetic predisposition to hay fever, asthma and eczema. They all kind of go on the same gene.

That's is so interesting. Oh my God, my brother has asthma, my dad gets hay fever, I've got rosacea, I used to get eczema. It explains a lot.

If you're not sure, sometimes they come as an adult and you just work out whether there's a strong family history of HP and that will often give you the answer.

That's so interesting.

Which type of rash they have.

Yep.

But I think the good way to think about eczema, I'm always talking about the skin. Think about the skin like a brick wall. The thing with eczema is you've really got two problems. One is that the mortar that holds your bricks together is deficient. It's dodgy. Basically that's your genetic predisposition that your mortar is not that good. So you tend to get cracks in your wall that other people don't really get and stuff gets in the crack. And stimulates your immune system. And the immune response is the second abnormal part of eczema. So you then have this sort of abnormal inflammatory itchy reaction to whatever's invading through your skin.

Whereas someone without that genetic tendency might get dry, irritated skin, but they might not get eczema. So if we just wash our hands 50 times a day, some people just get dry peelings or hands and other people will get eczema because that's their inflammatory response. So you've got these two problems. And a mistake a lot of people make is they think, "Oh well, you've just got to use moisturizers and protect the skin to stop the stuff going in the cracks." But actually you need to decrease the inflammation as well because the inflammation causes damage in itself.

So you're getting this vicious cycle. And I always say to people, when you've got eczema there, think about your brick wall being like a pile of bricks on the ground. It's like a rock wall with cracks and holes and nothing's quite right. So the anti-inflammatory treatments such as topical corticosteroid is to try and calm the inflammation down. And that allows you then to rebuild your wall. And then you can keep it away by protecting it. So you've got to keep those two things in mind. One is protect your brick wall, use your barrier treatment. And then the other is treat the inflammation if it's there. Otherwise, you'll just be in this vicious cycle forever.

So back to which products you actually use. Moisturizer is a very general term as well, but we think of it as having different components. So moisturizers generally have humectants which are the ingredients that hold the moisture into the skin. And that allows it to function more normally and keeps the inflammation down. And then there's the occlusive ingredients, which actually is just like the grease, which blocks the water from coming out through the skin. And also helps protect the skin from stuff going in, which is equally important.

So I've got rosacea, rosacea differs a bit to eczema.

Absolutely.

So a lot of people message me about rosacea because I've said it a few times and asked me how I trade it. But I always go back to them and say, "Look it's a lifestyle thing. There is a lot of things that can trigger rosacea." And for me, I take care of mine and I manage mine by using high quality skincare. There's not one serum or one product that's going to solve it. And I think that's where people get confused. And they think that there's just going to be one ingredient that I use that fixes it.

Fix everyone.

So can you talk us through rosacea a little bit?

Sure can. So again, I think you've got to understand the problem to fully treat it. And the thing that differs with rosacea is that the inflammation that's in the skin is actually around the blood vessels. So most people with rosacea have two problems. They have excess blood vessels or over-reactive blood vessels, which gives them the redness we see. And then they've got inflammation around those blood vessels, which gives them sometimes as lumps and bumps and skin sensitivities. So any inflammation can make the skin more sensitive.

Yeah.

So if you really want to treat rosacea, you need to think about treating the inflammation. And also treating the redness or the blood vessels if that's a prominent part of your rosacea. And as you said, the problem is that what causes the inflammation and feeds into this vicious cycle can be different in different people.

Yeah.

And in some people it's stress and in some people it's foods. And in some people it's sun. And in some people it's just genetics and we don't know. But you get in this vicious cycle. So if you've already got some significant redness or flushing and excess blood vessels, then it's very helpful to treat that. And really the only effective treatment for that is vascular laser.

Yep. I'm looking into that.

Yeah, look, I have rosacea too. And I used to be so red and it's changed my life just taking out a lot of the blood vessels.

Wow.

And I just don't have to worry about the flare ups as much now.

How many sessions do you have to have with the vascular laser?

It just depends on you. I was super red and I had sort of three sort of back to back, but I just did them when I could. But that was 12 years ago.

Wow.

And I've pretty much have one every year since just to maintain it. And honestly changed my life.

I feel like that's sold you.

Yeah.

Because you've been talking about it a lot.

I've been talking about it for ages, but I just didn't want to be dramatic and go and get laser. But I feel like I should now, if it's going to change my life.

Well it actually treats the underlying cause.

Yeah.

It helps the cause. So if you don't have as many vessels in that really superficial layer of the skin, so that's where you don't need the big excessive blood vessels. We want the deep ones obviously, and the laser won't touch them. But it's shrinking down those superficial blood vessels, the ones that then get inflamed and cause the other problems we see. So a lot of people say, "What should I put on my skin for redness?" And the problem with redness is that there's a cause of it most of the time. So it's going to be rosacea or it's going to be eczema. Or it's going to be sun damage or it's going to be, sometimes just flushing and so on. You can't just put something on the skin to treat redness in most cases.

So you need a diagnosis so that you can actually treat the cause of the redness. And if you have something inflammatory like eczema and you treat the eczema, sometimes then those excess blood vessels, they're there because you've got inflammation. So your blood vessels open up if there's inflammation and allow for that inflammation, the cells to come in and the swelling and all that sort of thing. So sometimes you take out the problem and the inflammation will go down and the redness will go down with it. But other times the blood vessels are the preexisting problem, like in rosacea and some damage. And so the only way to get rid of them is to actually treat the blood vessels and that will help heal the problems.

Yeah, because I don't want mine to get worse as I get older. Because I see my dad's skin and I'm like if my skin's that red, by the time I'm in my 60s I feel like I've got to do something about it now.

You got a little bit of time till you're 60.

I know it goes quickly though, Hannah.

Just a little bit. Please don't remind us.

Time flies.

Well luckily it's all treatable now.

Yes, I know. Thanks for joining us Cara. It's been lovely to have you here to talk about sensitive skin.

It's a pleasure.

Great.

Awesome.

Thank you.

So you loved that Joe.

I did. I did.

But I think that a lot of listeners will probably be saying, "Oh can you just tell me what products to use."

Yeah, which they always do.

Which is what they always do. So we though we'd just wrap up quickly with a few of your top picks for sensitive skin.

Yeah.

But La Roche-Posay is probably one of our most popular brands for sensitive skin.

Yes. And I do really recommend La Roche, because the French know sensitive skin.

Yeah. And if you go to our IGTV, there's an amazing video we did with a girl called Nicola who swapped all La Roche-Posay and it was just.

She had really sensitive skin. Had a reaction switched to all La Roche and it pretty much healed her skin. So the good thing about La Roche is that it is really gentle. I use the Toleriane Ultra Cream as a moisturizer when my skin is feeling sensitive. Because I use a lot of actives as you know.

Yes.

I use a lot of cosmeceuticals. But I do like to rotate in the Cicaplast Soothing Repairing Balm as well, and the Rosaliac AR Intense Serum. So all of those are really, really nice products for sensitive skin, especially if you're having a reaction. I have reactions all the time. I have flare ups, my rosacea all the time. And they're the products that I reach for because I just want to calm my skin, soothe my skin and support it and help it recover. So they are three really good products. Put them in the episode notes if you want to shop them.

Product I didn't know I needed.

Yes again.

So what's your product this week? Do you know? I actually?

Why don't you go first this week.

Okay.

Because I feel like I always go first.

So I have a little story to tell. So I went to Hair Expo, with a couple of girls.

I remember this. Yeah.

From the office, and so this is their most genuine product I didn't know I needed because of my reaction.

Yeah, you really didn't.

So we ended up with, is it Balmain?

I think it's actually Balmain.

Balman. But I'm not going to say that.

You're not going to say that. So we're not going Balman. But just say Balmain.

Yeah. It's like French words like freak me out. I learned French.

Croissant.

Like, "Can I have a croissant." You wouldn't say that.

Like you're not going to say that. Yeah.

So we walked past there, kind of like there's all these stalls and it was just calling out to me. And I went over with two girls from the office and I reckon we spent an hour there.

Really?

Oh my God. You could not drag us away.

Were you just trying stuff on?

Because actually Jen Atkin. We'd watched Jen Atkin do like a dancing masterclass and she kept talking about the Balmain, Belmar, whatever, it is right?

Yeah.

She was obsessed with it. Even though she has her own hair care range. And I was really intrigued and they have like a hair perfume. And the packaging. Oh my God. It's like next level.

Great gift.

Oh my God. And they have packs and I have a gold brush and it's just a nicest. I was in heaven. It's like hair care's is not that sexy, but this is the sexiest haircare ever.

This is sexy.

But what is the best part about their range is the hair accessories.

Yeah.

So like I said to our haircare buyer. I was like, "Oh my God, we have to get every single hair accessory." They're really bougie. They're so beautiful. So I ended up seeing this, what is it like a hair beret or something?

Yeah, it is. It's got like a leather.

With like a chopstick. Yeah, we'll put it on our stories but it's got like a leather strap thing. You put...

The chopstick through it.

You put the gold chopstick through it. It's so stunning. And it actually has the logo.

She came into the office, she was like, "I bought this Balmain hair clip." And I was like, "How much was it Hannah?" She was like, "$350." And I was like, "That's okay."

I got a little bit of a industry discount while we were there. But I literally walked away from the stall and then someone was like, "It's going to sell. It was their last one." And I was like, "Huh ah." And so I ran back and I got it. And then a girl at the counter was like, "Oh, are you getting that?" And I was like, "Yes." And she was like, "Oh, is it the last one?" I was like, "Yes."

Oh, did she want it?

Yeah, she wanted it. She like wanted to steal it from me.

Oh that's mean.

Yeah. So anyway, they're accessories, they've got clips.

It's very bougie.

It's so bougie.

Very expensive.

But also what I like about it, it's like a touch of designer without being OTT.

Yep.

And also not thousands of dollars.

Amazing for the races, weddings, things like that where you really want to have bougie hair.

And I wore it out that night and quite a few people were like, "What? That hair clip."

Anytime you wear it I'm like, "I love that so much."

So that's mine.

Well, I feel like mine's not as exciting now.

No it's not that exciting.

You told a really exciting story. So mine is the Dr. Hauschka translucent bronzing tint.

I never knew how to say that. Dr. Hauschka.

What did you think it was? Tell us?

Dr. Haruskha. I don't know why I thought there was an R in there. I just looked at it.

Okay. So for everybody else it's Dr Hauschka translucent bronzing tint. So this stuff is something that I discovered like literally a week ago because I saw it on Nikki Makeup stories.

Ah.

And anyone that knows me, I'm obsessed with Nikki Makeup. If I met her that would be my life complete. Like I could die happily. She's the best makeup artist in the world I reckon. Anyway, so she was using this on her stories on Elsa Husk, the model. And she used it as a liquid bronzer. and I've never had a week with bronzer and I've never known how to use one. And she used it on her stories and I was like, "I have to have that."

How did she use it? Now I'm intrigued.

So she used it on like an angled brush and she just put it around the hairline like where you would contour and then under the cheekbones. But what I discovered about this product is that you can also add it to your moisturizer if you don't want to wear foundation. And it just gives you a really beautiful glow all over your face. So if you don't want to wear foundation on the weekends, you can add that to your moisturizer.

It's got a bit of a like a fake tan effect, without the fake tan.

Yeah. But you can then customize it because you can just add like a tiny little amount if you want a tiny bit.

It would be really good for your winter foundation in summer.

A 100%. Adding that in just to darken it a little bit. It's a really, really good product. And it contains some really nice ingredients as well, so there's nothing like nasty in there. But yeah, that's my recommendation.

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