Episode 32: Let's Talk About Leg Veins

Hannah Furst:
Welcome everybody to Beauty IQ, the podcast.

Joanna Flemming:
I'm your host, Joanna Flemming.

Hannah Furst:
And I am your cohost, Hannah Furst.

Joanna Flemming:
Can we just say we're having just some learnings throughout this? Because I have never been more aware of people starting their car next door, kids screaming, or like my dad walking up the hallway. It's just like I have to be on everything.

Hannah Furst:
See for me, it's more just like I'm having trouble actually with the recordings itself.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Every single time I press start recording, I'm like, "Please record."

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Because we've actually had to re-record a whole episode pretty much.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. So I hope you guys are grateful for us still churning out the content. What is on this episode, Hannah?

Hannah Furst:
So on today's episode, probably one of my fave cringey combo and I didn't even come up with this. Jo came up with this. We're talking about pash rash. Then we have Goran from Vein Solutions. He is going to be talking about varicose and spider veins and then of course, the products we didn't know we needed.

Joanna Flemming:
Okay. So I have to admit, I didn't come up with the pash rash idea.

Hannah Furst:
Whose idea was it?

Joanna Flemming:
Someone DMed me and they were like, "Please, you guys have to talk about pash rash. It's doing my head in. And I just had-

Hannah Furst:
Wow.

Joanna Flemming:
... like image of Sharon Strzelecki from Kath and Kim. And I just was like, "We've got to help this girl." So that's where these came from.

Hannah Furst:
What's her issue? Let's hear it.

Joanna Flemming:
Well, she was saying that any time she kisses her partner, she breaks out in a rash around her mouth basically. She's like bright red.

Hannah Furst:
Oh my God.

Joanna Flemming:
I think we've all been through these. Hannah, come on.

Hannah Furst:
Yes.

Joanna Flemming:
You would have some crashes of story.

Hannah Furst:
Because I like hairy men, as we know. I like bearded, stubbly men as well.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
So the main thing and the main thing that I would say is that the guy either has to be clean shaven.

Joanna Flemming:
Yes.

Hannah Furst:
But even if they're clean shaven, by five o'clock, they get to have a bit of stubble on their face. That could cause a pash rash. So the main thing for me is if they have a longer beard, the longer beard is going to be softer.

Joanna Flemming:
It's softer. Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
The other thing that the man can do is use a beard oil so that if they've got a beard, that they actually like softening the hair so it's not so coarse on the skin. I was dating someone overseas and he had a beard, but it was longer. So I had no problem with the pash rash.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. It's that kind of like it's the stubble, that's the issue. It's like maybe three days of growth and it's like, it'll cause irritation.

Hannah Furst:
And so then the other guy who I was dating in Melbourne had more of a like stubble situation, which looked great but-

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. See, I like that look, but if it's going to cause me issues, I don't want to know about it.

Hannah Furst:
Yes. So we would have a make-out session and I would leave and it was always so embarrassing. I'd be like getting an Uber. It's a long story, but I don't like sleepovers.

Joanna Flemming:
Hannah has to watch TV going to sleep so sleepovers present an issue.

Hannah Furst:
I actually have an update for you, Jo.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
What is to pay the recording?

Joanna Flemming:
What?

Hannah Furst:
But I had an anchor date-

Joanna Flemming:
A what?

Hannah Furst:
... for my dating podcast.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh my God. Are you kidding? And you didn't tell me?

Hannah Furst:
I recorded it. I know, I'm too embarrassed.

Joanna Flemming:
Hannah, with who?

Hannah Furst:
This guy who goes to sleep to the TV. So I asked him a question.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh my God.

Hannah Furst:
The question that I asked him was, which is so telling of what kind of person I am. I was like, "So I go to sleep to the TV all night. The question is, would you prefer Seinfeld or Friends?"

Joanna Flemming:
I hope he said Seinfeld.

Hannah Furst:
He was like, "I go to sleep to the TV every single night."

Joanna Flemming:
Oh wow. Okay.

Hannah Furst:
I'm not kidding.

Joanna Flemming:
And so are we catching up for another anchor date? Is this a way launching a dating podcast? I wasn't ready for this.

Hannah Furst:
I haven't really been doing much about it, but I just thought I'd record my first. Do you know why? Because it's a lot easy to say to guys like, "Oh, hey, I'm doing this creative project." And it's like less embarrassing.

Joanna Flemming:
Is it?

Hannah Furst:
It's less embarrassing. I don't know if [inaudible 00:04:20]. It's so like I could ask... It's like on this podcast, how I can ask people out there questions. I just felt like I could ask some really out there questions because it was being recorded.

Joanna Flemming:
Okay. Yeah, that's fair. All right. Well, we're leaving that in because people are going to want to know about the dating podcast. They want to know that it's happening. It's in production, everybody.

Hannah Furst:
It's in production.

Joanna Flemming:
This is not a drill.

Hannah Furst:
I also had another date with a guy that doll dude from East Rail. I'm not joking.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh my God.

Hannah Furst:
I've got so much to tell you.

Joanna Flemming:
Clearly, the distance between us is causing some issues. Because I didn't know about any of this until right now.

Hannah Furst:
No, I wanted to tell you on the podcast, because you'd be like, "Oh my God." Anyways, back to pash rash. So I was getting an Uber home and it's like, the guy must have looked at me and be like, "What is wrong with your face?" My face was completely red. If you've been making out for a couple of hours, which come on, we've all done it, your face is like completely red and like-

Joanna Flemming:
Well, I've got rosacea. So any sort of friction near my cheeks where I get really irritated, it doesn't go well. So for anyone that's wondering why pash rash happens, it's because the hair creates friction on the skin's outer layer and then that causes irritation and inflammation, which then becomes red and flaky and soar. It kind of a less extreme version of Sharon Strzelecki, but-

Hannah Furst:
I would assume, my assumption to ask you is that if you are more... So my skin's obviously so tough, that with 30 minutes, the Pash goes down. I'm assuming that some people would be susceptible to more inflammation and more sensitivity.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh, yes. For sure.

Hannah Furst:
They would probably, they would be struggling more than someone like me.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. Yeah. And if you had anything like perioral dermatitis or anything like that where that area already gets irritated, then 100% you're going to be more susceptible to pash rash. But also, it's an area that has a lot of blood vessels. Your lips are pink because of the blood vessels. So it is an area that is going to get quite red and irritated if there is friction in the area. So I mean, you could go prepared and you could just slather your whole mouth with a protective cream.

Hannah Furst:
Like, "Sorry, just hold on one sec."

Joanna Flemming:
You could do Egyptian magic over your whole mouth and that would help to create a barrier.

Hannah Furst:
Would that make the kisses a bit slippery?

Joanna Flemming:
It would. It absolutely would. And they taste like olive oil, but anyway.

Hannah Furst:
And it tastes like olive oil, but yeah.

Joanna Flemming:
Or you could use Mesoestetic Fast Repair. I absolutely swear by that for post-procedure skin or any irritation really. Or if your less bougie, the Avene Cicalfate Restorative Skin Cream , that's also a really good option and it's a little bit more affordable. And then the ASAP Soothing Gel is great for soothing that redness and inflammation and the soreness that you get in the area. So they're some good options if you're prone to pash rash. But also just like, if he's not willing to grow his beard out or shave, just dump him. Honestly, it's not worth it.

Hannah Furst:
Your skin is the most important thing.

Joanna Flemming:
Exactly. That is my motto of life. But some good beard oils. As you recommended earlier, a beard oil or beard serum. There are lots on the market. I think we've got one's by V76 in American Crew. But the Black Chicken Balm of Ages balm is also really good. That's more of a multipurpose, but it can be used on the beard as well to soften the hairs. But if it stubbly, it's not going to work. That's for a longer beard.

Hannah Furst:
And if you're trying to convince your man to shave, just let him know that if he shaves every day, he actually may age at a slower rate due to exfoliation.

Joanna Flemming:
Exactly.

Hannah Furst:
But then, look-

Joanna Flemming:
So you've got to sell it into him.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. But I like to say, I like the beard look, so I probably wouldn't sell. I just be like, "Yeah, let's get a pash rash, whatever."

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. I don't know if I like clean shaven. I think I like a little bit of stubble.

Hannah Furst:
No, I definitely, I like a stubble or a beard.

Joanna Flemming:
I don't like a beard.

Hannah Furst:
You know what I like so would know-

Joanna Flemming:
I know what you like.

Hannah Furst:
[inaudible 00:08:32].

Joanna Flemming:
I can pick a man from 100 meters away and be like, "I knew it already, Hannah. You don't have to say anything."

Hannah Furst:
Have you got anyone to dial in for my anchor date, my next anchor date?

Joanna Flemming:
For you?

Hannah Furst:
Yeah.

Joanna Flemming:
No, I didn't know I had to be on the search. I didn't know that we were watching this soon.

Hannah Furst:
I know.

Joanna Flemming:
I'm busy arranging guests for this podcast.

Hannah Furst:
To be honest, I think I'm too embarrassed. It was just-

Joanna Flemming:
No.

Hannah Furst:
It was the funnest Saturday night, but I think I'm too embarrassed to release it.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh my God, you have to release it. Okay. We're going to have to start a petition to get Hannah to release a dating podcast. Well, could we possibly use a snippet of it on here? Can we get him to sign a release form?

Hannah Furst:
You have to sign a release form because at the moment, it was just like, "Oh yeah, no, it's just a hobby."

Joanna Flemming:
It's just a fun thing.

Hannah Furst:
No big deal.

Joanna Flemming:
It's not the number one beauty podcast or anything.

Hannah Furst:
He might get some other dates out of it.

Joanna Flemming:
Absolutely.

Joanna Flemming:
Our next guest is Goran from Vein Solutions. Welcome, Goran. Can you tell us a little bit about what you do?

Goran Gacovski:
Hi, guys. How are you going? Yes, I'm a team member of Veins Solutions. Basically, my role, I've got a masters in medical clinical ultrasounds. So I specialize in ultrasound and assist doctors who specialize in venous treatment. They're called phlebologists and vascular surgeons also. So I play an important role in diagnosis and assistance.

Joanna Flemming:
So you, I imagine, would see a lot of spider veins and varicose veins in the work that you do. My mom has really bad varicose veins and has since her early twenties and I am petrified of inheriting them. Are they hereditary? Is it something that's passed down through family?

Goran Gacovski:
Yes, certainly. Yes. That's one big component of varicose veins. It is hereditary, unfortunately. We do get some good genes from our parents and we do get some bad genes unfortunately. Varicose veins are usually due to a genetic inherited weakness. Basically, it's a weakness of the vein wall that presents the vein from not basically functioning normally. If a person inherits the gene or the weakness, we should say, then the other factors such as pregnancy or prolonged standing may increase the rate of which the varicose veins may appear.

Goran Gacovski:
So there are other clinical factors that contribute to them developing quicker or looking, worsening over time, which they will. So for your sake, if you don't have any varicose veins at this stage, you may be safe unless you have a pregnancy also.

Joanna Flemming:
Okay. Well, I'm not planning a pregnancy. I'm 27 and every time I shave my legs, I'm looking for a varicose vein. So far, I've got like a couple of spider veins and that's not too concerning because I know I can have sclerotherapy for that. But can you tell us what the difference is between spider veins and varicose veins?

Hannah Furst:
I was just going to say, what's a spider vein and what's a varicose vein? Can we start there?

Goran Gacovski:
Spider veins are little networks. Exactly what they look like, spiders. Varicose veins are veins that are a little larger and bulgy and tortuous veins. They do connect to the main trunks of the vein. So the two main veins in your leg of the great saphenous veins, which runs medial through your thigh down to your ankle. And there's a vein at the back of your calf, which is a small saphenous veins. Usually if you've got varicose vein disease, these main trunks are not functioning normally. And then you see some people with bulgy, big ropey looking veins, they're usually attached or associated to those main trunks.

Joanna Flemming:
Right. Is there any complications, like medical complications involved in these kinds of conditions or is it pretty much just a cosmetic thing? Visually, we don't like looking at them.

Goran Gacovski:
Look, there is some medical complications because they can thrombose and they can be, we've referred to, a phlebitis. And if left untreated, they tend to worsen over time like I said earlier, and they progress. The risk of DVT may also be some heaviness, ache and pain, but they can lead to ulceration and leg skin changes. So that's probably-

Joanna Flemming:
Oh, wow.

Goran Gacovski:
Yeah, I've seen a lot of patients come through the clinic where they've walked in with big holes in their legs, which has an ulcer.

Joanna Flemming:
Wow.

Goran Gacovski:
So in severe cases, yes, there can be many medical complications, and it all depends on the person's medical history.

Joanna Flemming:
Yep. Yep. So the spider veins are more cosmetic and on the surface and something we don't like to see. And then varicose veins are the ones that are maybe a little bit more sinister, I guess.

Goran Gacovski:
Yeah. I mean, sometimes spider veins do have a reticular network or some sort of association to a larger vein or what we referred to as a reticular vein, and that may be the actual feeding vein or the cause to that spider vein for that area of concern.

Joanna Flemming:
And speaking of treatment, what can you do about spider veins and what can you do about varicose veins? If people are noticing them now and they're maybe in their twenties or thirties, what kind of treatments can they look at having done to eliminate the appearance of them?

Goran Gacovski:
There are multiple treatments. And again, this depends on what the patient needs done. So Vein Solutions itself also provides a special technique, which is used. Basically, what the doctors do is inject the vein with a special solutions, which is sclerotherapy type technique using ultrasound guidance. They mark the veins out and they remove them with a little forceps.

Hannah Furst:
And what kind of costs would people be looking for the different types of treatments? Is it quite expensive?

Goran Gacovski:
Again, this depends again what you actually and how extensive the disease is. So it could cost anywhere from a couple of hundred dollars to a couple thousand dollars, but it is medical rebate. Yeah, you do get a rebate.

Hannah Furst:
Oh, okay.

Joanna Flemming:
Have you found that the treatments have changed a lot over the years? Because I remember back in the day when I was really young, my mom went and had her veins stripped and I don't even know what that means, but that's what she went and had done a long time ago. It probably would have been 20 years ago now. Is that something that they still do or do you even know what that is?

Goran Gacovski:
So what they're referring to is they've surgically basically tie off the component or the junction where the vein actually arises from.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh, okay.

Goran Gacovski:
There are basically six main treatments that are available for veins treat for varicose veins, and one of them was stripping. So it is a thing of the past, but the treatments available now are basically an armory to treat almost any presentation. Most patients require a combination of several treatments to achieve the best possible results.

Joanna Flemming:
Well, it makes me feel a lot better knowing that there is options for me because if they do arise at some point, I know that I can get rid of them. I wanted to ask, are there any professions that are more prone to getting spider veins or varicose veins, like nurses who might be standing all night on a night shift or something like that? Do you see people presenting from certain backgrounds that seem to present this concern more?

Goran Gacovski:
Look, I suppose going back to the genetic factors. If you're genetically prone to have the weakness and you're a nurse, yeah, most likely standing will aggravate that.

Joanna Flemming:
Do you recommend wearing the compression tights?

Goran Gacovski:
Yes, definitely. Well, all of our patients that have treatment wear compression stockings post-treatment compression stockings. If you do have the genetic weakness and you're prone to having varicose veins or you do have varicose veins compression, it really helps. I wear compression to work every day.

Joanna Flemming:
Do you?

Goran Gacovski:
I don't have varicose veins, but I wear it, because I'm on my feet all day. It really helps, just by wearing the height compressions.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh, okay.

Goran Gacovski:
Yeah.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. Do you recommend wearing them on flights? Because I know that Hannah's probably more familiar with her ankles and stuff swelling on flights because she travels more than me. Yeah.

Goran Gacovski:
Yes. There's evidence that compression stockings do help during flights. I always wear compression whenever I fly. Obviously, it's a long haul flight. Yeah, definitely. Yep.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. If someone has spider veins or they're just starting to see them come up and they're wanting to have those treated with something like sclerotherapy, what is the downtime look like for? Relatively, it's invasive, but it's not like a surgery. What kind of downtime are they looking at?

Goran Gacovski:
Look, depending on again on what the treatment the patient will have. Very little downtime. Most patients can return to normal activity shortly after the treatment. Basically, no heavy physical lifting exercise or anything like that. You wouldn't run the marathon after a treatment, but you can return to normal duties the same day really.

Joanna Flemming:
Great. Well, thank you for joining us, Goran. That was great. I'm sure that people that are also worried about getting varicose veins like me will feel a little bit better.

Hannah Furst:
Yes. We get a lot of questions about it. We do, don't we?

Joanna Flemming:
We do. We get heaps of questions, especially about spider veins. I think it's that cosmetic appearance.

Hannah Furst:
It was so funny because just before you booked this interview into my calendar, I've got a message on my Instagram saying, "Please, please, please talk about varicose veins."

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, I get it all the time. Just random DMs like, "Please talk about spider veins." But for anyone who can't go and have this procedure done right now, Vita Liberata Body Blur-

Hannah Furst:
Oh, that's a really good one.

Joanna Flemming:
... is an absolute good game changer for hiding veins. I've got a few on the backs of my legs, just little superficial ones and that covers them. And I made my mom also wear it on my brother's wedding day on her legs because she wanted to wear stockings. And I was like, "Hell no, you are not wearing stockings with open toed shoes." So she wore the body blur and it worked.

Goran Gacovski:
Bear in mind if you do have a function or anything like that, bear in mind, there is obviously a little bit of downtime, so you'd want to time it well, so you don't... Yeah.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
And for those that don't know, body blur is a body makeup and it blurs imperfections.

Joanna Flemming:
Yes.

Goran Gacovski:
Okay, I was going to ask you that.

Hannah Furst:
Goran, we can send you some if you'd like some.

Goran Gacovski:
I might as well try it. Why not?

Joanna Flemming:
Thank you for joining us, Goran. That was great.

Goran Gacovski:
Thank you for having us. Thank you.

Joanna Flemming:
So what is your product you didn't know you needed, Hannah?

Hannah Furst:
So the product I didn't know I needed. Now, yesterday, I've been teasing on my own Instagram that I'm going to box dye my hair for YouTube.

Joanna Flemming:
You have been teasing?

Hannah Furst:
And it's so funny because I've been getting quite a lot of messages from people saying they are too scared to do it on their own and they want to see someone else do it first. So basically, Hannah's the guinea pig and I'm more than happy to be because it's part of a series that we're doing on YouTube called Beauty Risk Takers. And actually, I dialed in Alex, the girl that I've done another video with. We dialed her in on FaceTime. She's dying her hair orange at home.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh, okay.

Hannah Furst:
Which is a bit too out there for me. I went with light ash brown.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
So when isolation kind of started, we started stocking L'Oreal Paris hair dyes, which we didn't stock before. And I've been boxed dying my hair well before this. So it's not like I'm not doing this to spook anything. I always have done this. So I used the L'Oreal Paris Excellence Permanent hair color. So there's two different. There's the Permanent and then there's the Casting Creme. The Casting Creme is semipermanent so it'll last 28 washes. It won't have 100% gray coverage so if you've got some grays. By the way, L'Oreal, I think, think I have gray hair because they sent me like this roots touch up and I was like, "Do you think I'm fully gray? I'm actually not gray." And they sent me like four packets of the permanent hair color.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh, wow.

Hannah Furst:
It keeps 100% gray coverage. So anyway, I use the light ash brown, which is 6.1. So I filmed it yesterday. The only comment is I have really, really thick hair and it's growing quite long in the last few months, I probably should have used two packets, which is probably what I would do next time. The color is beautiful. It looks really good.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
But if you've got like normal not super thick hair, if you've got quite normal hair, you'd only need one packet for sure.

Joanna Flemming:
If you had like my thickness, I'd probably use two just because of my hair length because it's gotten really long. But if my hair was shorter, I'd only use the one packet because my hair is quite fine.

Hannah Furst:
To be honest, I'm really happy with the coverage. I think it looks really good. I'm obviously not the best hair dyer, I'm not professional hair dyer so I do my best. But my hair is really soft. It's like, there's no dryness. I thought because my hair is frizzy, it would feel like a little bit straw like, but it's completely fine.

Joanna Flemming:
It looks super glossy.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. The only thing that I'll say to people is when you're choosing a hair dye, go with a lighter color first, see how you like it and then move up to the next shade. So basically the shades, the L'Oreal Paris Excellence Permanent colors go from, I think one is black and then you go up to 10, which is the same as hairdressers. So 10 is the lightest color. And then the 0.1 is ashy. And then as you go up to 0.6, it becomes more red.

Joanna Flemming:
Yep. So what was yours again?

Hannah Furst:
So mine was 6.1.

Joanna Flemming:
Okay.

Hannah Furst:
And because I like an ashier color.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
It's not as ashy as another color that I've tried. You saw the color. It's got a tiny bit of warmth in it, but it's a really nice color.

Joanna Flemming:
Yep.

Hannah Furst:
My hair, if you see the before and after, it's given it like just a pop. It's looking like I'm ready to date even though I can't, but I did put it on my Gram because I'm like-

Joanna Flemming:
You're proving that you can.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah, you can do voice dates. And I actually think the price is... How much is it to dye your hair? Because I think the last time I dyed my hair at the hairdresser, it was like $100.

Joanna Flemming:
It depends what hairdresser you go to, but it could be... Yeah, you could end up walking out of it a cell and I'm paying 350 bucks or more.

Hannah Furst:
So I think if you have brown hair with grays, it's $23.75. So if you can't afford to go to the hairdresser, what, every four to six weeks, this is a great, great option for you. Particularly now as well if you're more reticent to go outside and go and see a hairdresser. I know you can still see a hairdresser, but dying your hair takes a lot longer than just like a quick trip.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, exactly.

Hannah Furst:
If you've seen my hair, you know I've got dark brown hair and I actually did the light ash brown.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
So start with a lighter color. And then if that's not dark enough, next time do, like I say, a medium brown.

Joanna Flemming:
Yep.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. It'll be on YouTube this week. So when this episode comes out on Monday, head to Adore Beauty on YouTube and you will see my whole hair dye experience. Jo, what is your product this week?

Joanna Flemming:
My product that I didn't know I needed, which I actually didn't know I need until someone told me I needed it, is the Elemental Herbology Cell Nourish Serum. So Amelia Singson told me about this product because it used to be at Mecca and it's now at Adore and she saw that it was on the website and messaged me. And she was like, "Oh my God, you need to try this serum. I was obsessed with it back in the day."

Hannah Furst:
I didn't even know this launch by the way.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, neither did I.

Hannah Furst:
Did you?

Joanna Flemming:
No, I didn't either. And then-

Hannah Furst:
We usually don't.

Joanna Flemming:
I know. So this serum is like a really hydrating, protective. They say it's like a green smoothie for the skin, and I think they're pretty on the money with that. It's like packed with proteins and vitamins and antioxidants. It's got Kombuchka in it. So apparently, that's meant to smooth and enhance radiance. It's got Co-Enzyme Q10, which is awesome for protecting against environmental aggresses. And green tea's an antioxidant, so that also helps to lock out any external irritants and things like that.

Joanna Flemming:
It smells, the first ingredient is rose water. So it has quite a strong fragrance, but it smells beautiful. And I've been trying these new serum, which I can't tell you about yet because it hasn't been released, but it reminds me of a public pool. And so I put that one on first and then I put this one on and it just counteracts the smell of the other one. Because I really liked the other one, but I don't like the smell of it. So putting this on top of it, just completely gets rid of that other smell and all I smell is roses. So yeah, I'm really loving it. It's super hydrating. My skin just feels calm as soon as I put it on. Yeah, it was worth trying. Thanks for the recommendation, Amelia. I was influenced.

Hannah Furst:
Yeah. I loved it. Amelia, it takes to do just a bit messages you just to let you know.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. Yeah, she influences me quite a lot.

Hannah Furst:
By the way... Yeah, she influences me too. So Amelia Singson, she's on Instagram. Her skin is [crosstalk 00:26:24].

Joanna Flemming:
And did you know she's 32?

Hannah Furst:
Yes. So I knew she was in her thirties and I was like, "Shut up." Her skin is so tight and so smooth.

Joanna Flemming:
I know.

Hannah Furst:
Go check her out on the Gram. She's got the best skin.

Joanna Flemming:
It's ridiculous.

Hannah Furst:
She does also use a lot Murad products, which since I-

Joanna Flemming:
She does.

Hannah Furst:
Since I met her, I started using more Murad products.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah.

Hannah Furst:
Jo, I have so many memes, so many.

Joanna Flemming:
Okay, fill us in.

Hannah Furst:
All right. There was this meme, man, I died. I think I sent it to you. So there's this guy and this girl, I think whether or not they're father and daughter, I'm not sure, but they were at the airport and they're like crying and hugging and it's like, "Oh my God, it's you." And then the thing is me finally meeting the guys I've been flirting with on dating apps for the past six months in quarantine.

Joanna Flemming:
How weird is it going to be though, like all the people coming out of quarantine.

Hannah Furst:
Oh my God.

Joanna Flemming:
Are they going to propose on the first date?

Hannah Furst:
Well, I have no idea what's going to happen. I see there's going to be a lot of babies born nine months later.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh, yeah.

Hannah Furst:
The day the bar's open, I reckon nine months later, there's going to be a lot of quarantine babies.

Joanna Flemming:
100%.

Hannah Furst:
They're going to call them quarantinies. The generation is called quarantinies.

Joanna Flemming:
It should be Gen Q.

Hannah Furst:
Gen Q, that's a good one. Okay. Here's another one. Millennial culture is texting someone to let them know you're going to call them so they can mentally prepare for the eventual phone calls. So true.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh my God, that's so me. I hate phone calls. I actually hate phone calls. If I had to call a doctor-

Hannah Furst:
Oh my God, that is-

Joanna Flemming:
... or something, I'd rather send an email. I pulled off making appointments over the phone.

Hannah Furst:
Jo, I've just sent you one on Insta. Can you have a look at this and then read it out? I'm dead.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah, hang on.

Hannah Furst:
I'm dead. I look at this and I just like, "I can't."

Joanna Flemming:
Oh my God. It's a picture of [inaudible 00:28:19] on the Prison Foreign. And it says, "Me showing up on house party with the new bangs I gave myself." This is some weird fringe. That's so good.

Hannah Furst:
Okay. We'll post it the day it comes out.

Joanna Flemming:
Yeah. We'll get Megan to post that on the day that that comes out. That's hilarious.

Joanna Flemming:
Oh, well that wraps us up for another week. If you've got any great memes, feel free to send them through to us.

Hannah Furst:
Please send them through to us because we love to share memes on the party. All right. See you guys.Bye.

Hannah Furst:
Thanks everyone for joining us today.

Joanna Flemming:
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